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22.02.44 Ofw. Robert Roller: 13 6./JG 3 B-17 JT-2 or FT-2: 7.000 m. [E. Detmold] 13.45 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.70
22.02.44 Oblt. Rudolf Klemm 7./JG 54 B-17 JT-42: 7.500 m. [E. Detmold] 13.45 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr. 234
22.02.44 Maj. Günther Specht: 30 Stab II./JG 11 B-17 Blomberg-Detmold: 7.100 m. 13.42-55 Film C. 2025/I Anerk: Nr.21

A friend is looking into the loss of his mother in laws brother and the above are the likely candidates that shot his B-17 down.

How does one go about acquiring the claim document?

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No one can answer the question?

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You will be lucky to get the verbatim combat reports

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How was Mr T Wood able to give a reference then?

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Hi.

These are not combat reports, purely listings of claims, with no more information than Tony Wood has been so kind to share.

The reference is to the microfilm containing the claims documents.

Regards,
Andreas B

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Andreas, I am not looking for the combat report but for the claim document.

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Hi.

You order the microfilms.

Regards,
Andreas B

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I figured that but need an address.

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Hello Kutscha,

First seeing your mail of 13 March, then reading your mail of the next day (are we impatient?) and then this sharply next request 'I need the address' is perhaps not the sort of politeness that invokes people to help?

I have seen the microfilms myself and the chance of finding the claim documents are rather minimal.

Marcel

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Hello, Kutscha

The films should be available for purchase both at NARA and at the Bundesarchiv/Militärarchiv.

Visit their websites for information on how to order.

Regards,
Andreas B

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one thing if its a surprise Gift-to your relative,i consider it first-as it might upset them if they knew who shot -killed there loved ones.and too the german pilots who might be alive too.
nothin personal;
Sharon

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Thanks Andreas.:)

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The films don't show more info than what already is in the Woods-List......so what do you think to achieve?

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I thought the lists contained flak claims as well, is this not correct?

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They do, with a few minor skips here and there.

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Thanks for that, will have to order them after all...

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Follow-up question - are the flak claims only those made by units in Germmany, or do the lists also contain claims by light flak, airfield defence etc in occupied territories?

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All Flak units everywhere - Heimat, besetzten Gebieten, Fronten, alles.

Larry

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Many thanks Larry.

*sigh*, I should know better than to take on new projects...

Any advice as to whether the NARA or the BA/MA files are more complete / legible?

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It's difficult to answer your question because I don't know exactly what you are looking for.

M.I. 15/War Office tracked all German Flak during the war since antiaircraft defenses were considered an Army function rather than an RAF function. But their interest was organization, unit locations and weaponry. They did not produce any information on German Flak claims that I know of.

BA-MA Freiburg Signatur RL 5 contains 506 folders of Flak-Abschüßmeldungen. That's about 12 linear meters of material (39.4 feet).

Larry