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Melvin Brownless 20th March 2012 19:14

Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
Hi to all,

Was wondering if anyone can add any further information regarding the loss of Edmund Unger of II/SG10. Edmund was shot down and remained missing in action until his discovery in 1986? Would very much like to create a page of remembrance for Edmund on our website so if you have further information, pictures of the recovery or a picture of Edmund I would be delighted to hear from you. Anything supplied will of course be greatfully credited.

Regards,

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

Frans A 20th March 2012 22:29

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
Melvin,
43-11-05 14.02 hrs. Fw 190G-3 160307 4./SKG 10
Crashed at Best (Holland)
Fw. Edmund Unger KIA Buried Ysselsteyn CA-14-348
Shot down by Capt. Fonzo D.Smith in P-47D 42-7936 of 4FG/335FS
Frans A

John Manrho 20th March 2012 23:10

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
Recovered by Dutch Air Force on 23-25.04.1991 and reburied at Ysselsteyn on 23.07.1991.

Melvin Brownless 21st March 2012 00:23

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
Very interesting indeed! Many thanks Frans & John, very much appreciated.

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

Marcel Hogenhuis 21st March 2012 14:46

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
Hello Melvin,

Mr. Ad van Lingen, then member of the Dutch Study Group Airwar 1939-1945, has once made a hilarious presentation how he tried to make enquieries about Unger in Austria. I can remember his presentation quite vividly but will restrict myself to the essential and most humourous part:

During his research, Van Lingen wrote to the Major of Vienna (where Unger's family lived originally) whether there were still relatives of this Austrian Luftwaffe pilot alive who could be contacted and which should be informed because their missing family member had been found.

He got a blunt reply that Unger could not possibly an Austrian Luftwaffe pilot, because "Austria was not involved in WW-2" or a similar phrase. Van Lingen replied to him (with a copy to Kurt Waldheim, then the Austrian president) that:
- the highest Nazi who ruled the occupied Netherlands was Arthur Seyss-Inquart, the former Austrian Nazi-leader and adherer of Adolf Hitler
- most of Seyss-Inquarts high ranked staff members ruling the occupied Netherlands - like Wimmer - were Austrians
- the supreme Nazi police commander in the Netherlands, terrorizing the population, was Hanns Albin Rauter, an Austrian
- one of the Gruppenkommandeure of the III./NJG 1 in Twente/Holland was the Austrian Egmont Prince zur Lippe-Weissenfeld etc. etc.

Apparantly Waldheim smelled a terrible row if the lack of cooperation (and even worse: the lack of any historical knowledge) of Vienna's town major became public. Whether by Waldheims intervention or not, soon Van Lingen was informed that Ungers sister was very pleased to hear about the fate of her brother of which she always was kept in the dark.

All the best, Marcel / Venlo

Melvin Brownless 21st March 2012 16:43

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
Many thanks Marcel, Do you know if Mr. Ad van Lingen is still with is? Maybe someone has a photo of Edmund Unger?

Regards

Melvin

Chris Goss 21st March 2012 18:11

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
I do not have him as being a member of SKG 10 rather SG 10?

Melvin Brownless 21st March 2012 18:54

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
You are correct Chris, Checked my SKG10 folder and he was not there, I already assumed a typo as I checked SG10 and found him there. Thanks for pointing out Chris

Melvin

Laurent Rizzotti 21st March 2012 23:55

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
What was doing a SG 10 pilot in Netherlands at this date ? I thought SG 10 was on the Eastern Front then.

Melvin Brownless 22nd March 2012 00:02

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
Yes, very interesting point Laurent!


Melvin

Andrew Arthy 22nd March 2012 10:50

Re: Loss of Fw. Edmund Unger MIA 05.11.1943
 
Hi,

The II. Gruppe of Schlachtgeschwader 10 - formerly the IV. Gruppe of Schnellkampfgeschwader 10 - served in the Mediterranean theatre from June to August 1943, after which it was withdrawn to Coulommiers near Paris, and re-equipped with new FW 190s. After a couple of months in the west, the unit was flying operations on the Eastern Front in December 1943.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

Air War Publications - www.airwarpublications.com


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