Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Hi!
Does anybody have information regarding the loss of 6 Stuka's from S.tg.1 19.april 1940 near Trondheim ,Norway.
The attackers was Skuas and Swordfish from HMS Glorious and HMS Ark Royal.

Looking for information regarding codes,area of the loss and soo on...

Must say that this is something I have in my notes and I don't know if this is legit or not.

Any help mutch appreciated.

John fredrik

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

I have only one confirmed loss and even this without enemy action:
1940-04-19, 1./St.G 1, Ju 87B-1, 5386, A5+JH, Nedre Fiplingvatn, Hattfjelldal, Notlandung infolge technischer Störung. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Pfeil, Karl (Von norwegische sami erschoßen)
Bordfunker Ogfr Winkels, Gerhard, gefangen (Zurück)

Matti

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

think too - Gladiator plane not skua

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1 ???
 

The correct date is likely 25th Apr 1940. This day 810 SQN FAA and 820 SQN FAA up at 03:00 from "HMS Ark Royal" with 13 Swordfish who then bombed airfield Vaernes outside Trondheim. Each Swordfish probably dropped 4 250lb bombs and 8 20lb boms. Several buildings were heavily damaged and some Luftwaffe aircraft were lost/damaged. Among them probably Ju 87`s from Stukagruppe I./StG1 who were based here this day. 3 Swordfish planes force landed on the way back to the carrier due to ground fire damage substained.

Perhaps Andreas can clear this up with his database?

Greetings from Norway

Knut

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Even on that day I have only one lost Ju 87:
1940-04-25, 1./St.G 1, Ju 87, Fl.Pl. Drontheim-Vaernes, Bombenwurf um 06.30 Uhr. Bruch 100 %.

Matti

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Thank you all for youre fast replys, appreciate it.

The reason for my request is some rumours heard about Stuka's damaged on the ice of Jonsvatnet, and then transported to Vaernes airport on lorries .

Found this link to wikipedia also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturzka...egian_campaign

In time many rumours accour and I find it a bit hard to confirm them:-(..

Thanks a lot!

John Fredrik

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

No rumour. I remeber seeing photo of damaged Ju 87 at Jonsvannet, but below is Ju 87 losses. Do not know if there were any more than them five (5) listed.

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Here is a link : http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/fiplingvatn.html

John Fredrik

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Thanks Ed!

Is there any possibility that this list is uncomplete?
3 planes down by Narvik and I think the other one at the top must be the one that got lost at Fiplingvatn.

My biggest dream is a time travel advice ....would have been great to have been at the lake some days in April 1940 :-)

John Fredrik

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

I am not expert on Ju 87/Norway, just have this. Sorry.

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

helloJohn Frederik,
i heard even a story that on the botom of jonsvanet there must still be a stuka laying, they used the lake as landing ground but when it started to defrost some sank to deep in the ice away and all the things that could be removed were removed
anyone can confirm this?
cheers
phil

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

[quote=philippe1;145077]helloJohn Frederik,
i heard even a story that on the botom of jonsvanet there must still be a stuka laying, they used the lake as landing ground but when it started to defrost some sank to deep in the ice away and all the things that could be removed were removed
anyone can confirm this?
cheers
phil[/QUOT

Hi!

What's still on the bottom of Jonsvatnet is still a mystery....would be happy to know though..

There are many rumours..

On is that what is told is a Arado went down on the ice some other year,stright to the ice with the crew.It is told to be a war grave... Have no info about that at all, so still not confirmed.
There was back in 2004 salvages one Ju88 and one H-111 in remarcable good shape.
At the same time the remains of 2 more Junkers was found..
The search group told us that they found more but info is not given about what..
One wreck was burned an not possible for id..
One Ju52 is still there, it was coded RO+AU

John Fredrik

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Hi John Fredrik

I have the following Ju 87 from Stukagruppe I./StG1 lost in Norway 1940:

09.04 Accident WNr. ? 60% Pilot ? airfield Sola
11.04 Accident WNr. ? 100% Pilot ? airfield Vaernes
14.04 Accident WNr. ? 60% Pilot ? airfield Fornebu
19.04 Accident WNr.5386 100% Lt. Karl Pfeil SW Hattfjelldal
25.03 British AC WNr. ? 100% unmanned airfield Vaernes 710/720 SQN
01.05 British AC WNr. ? 100% Ofw. Erich Stahl off Namsos 802 SQN
12.05 Accident WNr. ? 95% Pilot ? airfield Vaernes
24.05 British AC WNr. ? 100% Fw. Kurt Zube area Bodø 263 SQN
02.06 Swed. G/f WNr.0207 (¤%) Lt. Günther Brack area Abisko SW
02.06 British AC WNr. ? 100% Fw. Hans Ott SE Narvik 46 SQN
02.06 British AC WNr. ? 100% Lt. Klaus Kübel SE Narvik 46 SQN
02.06 British AC WNr.5428 100% Oblt. Heinz Böhme SE Narvik 263 SQN

Anybody who can help with further Stuka losses or corrections from this periode ?

Greetings from an early spring in Norway

Knut L

Knut

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Hi Knut!

Here are some links that will give you som information regarding Wnr :

http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/fiplingvatn.html

http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/beisfjord.html

http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/beisfjord2.html

I also have some pictures in my collection of Stuka's at Jonsvatnet.
Think I have a picture of the one belly landed on Vaernes 11.April on my harddisc.
Need to look for it and I will get back to you,I think the code is visible.

John Fredrik

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Hi, all

There were 7 Ju 87´s destroyed when Værnes airfield was bombed on April 26th - I believe this is the date and incident you are looking for.

As this was before the GenQu records hold information in WNr and the like, I do not have any further information at this point.

The unit is given as 1./St.G.1 - the 1st Staffel of Stukageschwader 1. There were no personnel losses in the unit on this date, and I have not directly researched these losses in other records.

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Hi, Knut

I have some additions to your list, will try to post it during the easter holiday.

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Hi Andreas

Thank you very much for your reply. I look forward to hear from you regarding this item with corrections or additions to my Stuka list. I have for a long time been very sceptical to the fact that Luftwaffe only lost 12 Ju 87 during the fighting in Norway April - June 1940.

Greetings

Knut

Re: Loss of 6 Ju 87 19.april 1940 Norway /S.tg.1
 

Hi John Fredrik

I have been in contact with Kjell Sørensen regarding thr 3 crash sites you mentioned. From there I have picked the 3 WNr in my list. I am very interested in photos of Stukas from the periode 1940 in Norway and look forward to see the photo of the 11th Apr accident and some from the frozen Jonsvatnet.
Have a nice day


Regards
Knut