Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Hello all, have you got infos about history and accidents of this two W.Nr. HE 111, please? Many thanks. Tolesa

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Hi Tolesa

Do you mean Heinkel He 111B? If you do, I am fairly sure that these WNr's would be late He111B-2 series, but nothing else to offer at present

Ian

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Hello Ian, of course, He 111, I corrected it now...

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

A few He111B-2's with WNr's in this range finished their lives with FFS C6 and C9.

Ian

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

2196 was accepted i.April 40 at Erfurt, probably after some accident or "Umbau", Why about these ones ??

Rémi

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Finished their lives? Erfurt in France or in Germany? Many thanks. I have my own theory about something with several crashed planes so I need more infos cause I want know denouement of all...

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Erfurt pretty far from France, even if we hv stollen some german-speaking lands in the past , no Erfurt drin, no-end live, but contrary the 2196 hv been new accepted , like after an accident or some important change in the plane structure

Rémi

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

2196 after accident was rebuilt on some other type? Could it be P 2 or some other? Thanks, Rémi. M.

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

We are there conjecturing, the only fact is that the plane was accpted in April 40, as that date pretty far from man. date, we could suppose that acceptation resulted from a major event, overhaul, repair, or modification, change of engines ?? Never seen picture of an old frame with DB engines..

Rémi

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

There were almost certainly two different He111’s with the WNr. 2196. The first would have been a He111B-2. But this work number block was also used for He111P-2. These are not re-builds, but new aircraft. The 2196 at Erfurt in April 1940 could be either aircraft. If it was the He111P-2 we would suspect that it was still an operational aircraft. If the He111B-2 still existed at this time then it would have been retired to a training unit some time before.


Ian

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Ian

I would be interested to know your source that WNr 2196 was also a P-2. It is not mentioned as such by Volker Koos in his article for Jet & Prop number 2/2010. Both WNr 2177 and 2196 are only listed as B models.

Cheers
Stig

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Thank you both. Ian, please, any history for P -2 2196?

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Stig, do you know more? Thanks. Marian

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

Hi Stig and all

Thanks to the Prop and Jet pointer. I didn't have a copy of this. I have good evidence for these being in the He111B block, as I had stated in the early post. But I accept that I only have references to a few surrounding He111P-2 WNr, which appeared to suggest that these numbers were part of a He111P-2 block as well, but no certainty to this.
PLEASE ignore my previous comment!:o
Ian

Re: Heinkel B W.Nr. 2196 and W.Nr. 2177
 

No worries Ian

If you send me a private msg with your e-mail address I will scan the J&P article to you, where according to Koos the P-2 WNr batch ends. :)

Cheers
Stig