Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

On sale here:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tchlink:top:de
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Jabo-Jag...item43af6ac556
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Jabo-Jag...item43af6ac22f

Possibly II./SG 77?

Cheers,
Christian

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Pz-Schreck ?? Pz-Blitz ??

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Super stuff, just made a model with panzerschreck I

cheers
Jes

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Christian,

Yep, saw them also, very interesting....would be interesting to know the unit....why do you think II./SG 77?

John

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Hi John,

there is a picture of a derelict Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 featuring the same arrow paintwork on its cowling in two JaPo publications. The publications are "Luftwaffe over Czech Territory 1945" and "Focke-Wulf Fw 190 F, G". The authors attributed this plane to 5./SG 77, I guess because of the location where the plane was found (Pardubice) and it's marking features.

However, I am not sure if those planes on Ebay belonged to 5./SG 77 too. Perhaps this "arrow" was a common feature for all Panzerschreck-190s, no matter which unit they belonged to. But this is just the mind at play.
According to Poruba, Janda and Kokoska the only known Staffeln which used Panzerschreck rockets in combat had been 8./SG 1, 6./SG 3 and 5./SG 77. Maybe someone else can shed light on this topic?

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

All the SG units, even SG10 nd SG151 the 13.st. nd SG9 the 3. nd 13.St , use Pz/Schreck-Pz/Blitz , by march/april 45, planes available are hundreds quite all toward East turned

Rémi

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Hi Rémi,
from the JaPo books I got the impression that the Panzerblitz (adapted R4M rockets) was indeed much more common than the Panzerschreck (roughly an adapted Bazooka). In fact, the authors are listing the same units you mention as being equipped with the Panzerblitz (plus some additional ones). But with the Panzerschreck it seems to be a different story...

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Don't have much knowledge of weapon fits but I have a Flugbuch to a Fw-190 pilot with 8./SG-3 that shows that his aircraft was equipped with Panzerschrecks. He was trained to use them with 2./SG-151 before heading to 8./SG-3 in late 1944.

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Pz-schreck not the Stove-oven, same as pz-blitz rockets fixed on wooden..-carrier, only difference one is , the first used was for soft, medium-skinned the second able to knock-down the big tanks T-34, but not sure the biggest J.Stalin.

Rémi

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

I did a check in Lfl. 6 documents all the way up to late March 1945. Early February 1945 the following units flew with Panzerschreck;

8./SG 1, 6./SG 2, 4./SG 3, 5./SG 77 (Pz.Schreck)

(indeed there is also one report that says 6./SG 3 had Pz.Schreck but it does not list 4./SG 3 also, maybe a typo?)

The following units had Panzerblitz;

III./SG 4 (all three Staffeln), 13.(Pz)/SG 151, 1.(Pz)/SG 9 (Pz.Blitz)

It seems that II./SG 151 had mainly Pz.Blitz but also a few Pz.Schreck Fw 190.

Early Feb 1945 also 3.(Pz)/SG 9 was transferring to Pz.Blitz (completed mid March). This was followed in early March 1945 with transferring first 3./SG 1, 9./SG 77 & 6./SG 1 to Pz. Blitz. planned to be followed by 3./SG 77, 3./SG 4, 3./SG 3 & 6./SG 4. Need to check more files if that was completed too.

As the pictures show clearly the II. Gruppe bar and the "11" and "2" are black (imho) than I think we can say these are indeed 5./SG 77 a/c. Staffel color of 6./SG 2 = yellow and 4./SG 3 = probably white. The color of 5./SG 77 was in my opinion black.

Could these have been taken at Gahro?

John

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

I've just realised that I have cropped the dates out for the Flugbuch entries for 8./SG-3. They are, in the order shown:
23.2.45
23.2.45
5.3.45
6.3.45
9.3.45
11.3.45

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

From December 1944:

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

All three pictures went for more than 600 Euro's a piece.....quite a significant number but then again, I never saw such nice Fw 190F's with Panzerschreck before.....:-)....download scans as long as you can....

J.

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

This too:

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Is anyone of the above guys in possession of the scans from Ebay? I would love to have them for my personal files (no widespread sharing intended for sure).
TIA

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Milos, my word, you do have some catching up to do. While the pictures sold for over 600 euros each no-one has asked me to take them down ..yet

FalkeEins -The Luftwaffe blog 5./SG 77 Panzerschrek

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

They were up for sale a while ago. I still have the scans from when they first apperared on E-Bay.de

Re: Rare set of Panzerschreck-equipped Fw 190 photos
 

Hello Falke Eins!
Thanks, Late last night before the sleep, I've did a search and found them there with some nice models done by a guy who is mass producing all the luftwaffe fighters (something I always wanted to do but I am much slower with my camo applications - being to a**al).
Thanks for the pointer! Been browsing your blog quite a bit lately - trust me!! Keep on with the most amazing work for the sake of us lazy if nothing else. There are people who appreciate it like myself!

Got them of the FalkeEins blog Kaki! Thanks a lot :)
But if you have Ebay auctions form last few years archived - I would appreciate one big share if possible.

I am honestly thinking of some kind low res archive for Fw 190s. Something similar to Marc's 109 Flickr page.