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SALERNO1943 15th May 2012 08:42

Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
I'm looking informations about aircraft of lt Prchal crashed 11 jan 1943 after bombing Naples. Many informations about Prchal are in book LIBERANDOS pages 91 to 93. Someone have it and cand sent those informations? Thanks!

SALERNO1943 15th May 2012 13:14

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Here are some fragment from B-24 crash site. Some idea about them? In the place there are also some old car fragments so someone of part is not from aircraft. I indicate those parts. Thanks.

Fragments of engine
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9656/dvc07757.jpg

Fragments of fuselage
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6889/dvc07758.jpg

Small parts
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5622/dvc07759.jpg

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5971/dvc07760.jpg

28D1022 ALCOA 32D1150R 32D2005-50
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2593/dvc07761.jpg

7736 32B1144 7314
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8937/dvc07762.jpg

Plexiglass
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3998/dvc07763.jpg

What it is?
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9877/dvc07764.jpg

What it is?
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5711/dvc07765.jpg

Car or aircraft?
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4116/dvc07766.jpg

Car or aircraft?
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5492/dvc07767.jpg

Car or aircraft?
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/8121/dvc07768.jpg

Car or aircraft?
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8562/dvc07769.jpg

Battery pack. Where it is allocated?
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1585/dvc07770.jpg

What it is?
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3807/dvc07771.jpg
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9208/dvc07772.jpg
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/3299/dvc07773.jpg

Small parts
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/7959/dvc07774.jpg

SUCTION RELIEF VALVE
Type B-8
MFRS. PART No. 216B
MFRS SER. No. A 5120
Specification No. 28368
Order No. W535A 15807
PUMP ENGRNG SER CORP.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8249/dvc07775.jpg

Leendert 16th May 2012 20:02

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Salerno,

I don't know how far you are with the crew list, but the co-pilot was Lt Eugene. L. Ziesel from Omaha, Nebraska, just like the pilot Lt Louis A. Prchal.

Lt Ziesel is mentioned on findagrave.com.

The ABMC website gives Sgt Merle J. Andrews and Sgt Harold C. Vanness with date of death 11 Jan 1943 (376th BG, 514th BS), but confirmation needed if they indeed were crew members too.

I hope this is a start.

Regards,

Leendert

SALERNO1943 16th May 2012 20:05

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leendert (Post 148017)
Salerno,

I don't know how far you are with the crew list, but the co-pilot was Lt Eugene. L. Ziesel from Omaha, Nebraska, just like the pilot Lt Louis A. Prchal.

Lt Ziesel is mentioned on findagrave.com.

The ABMC website gives Sgt Merle J. Andrews and Sgt Harold C. Vanness with date of death 11 Jan 1943 (376th BG, 514th BS), but confirmation needed if they indeed were crew members too.

I hope this is a start.

Regards,

Leendert

Many thanks. I hope to find the names also of other men on this aircraft. Witnessing spoke about 3 or 4 men bail out but just one survive and was captured. Do you have some idea to find all name of this B-24? Thanks again.

Leendert 16th May 2012 20:21

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Salerno,

A post on armyairforces.com reveals some more info: http://forum.armyairforces.com/Unkno...2-m214047.aspx

Here Prchal's B-24 is identified as "59-W".

Note that 376th BG lost another B-24 on 11 Jan 43, the one of Lt Col John Payne, so the sergeants I mentioned may have been on this plane instead.

Regards,

Leendert

SALERNO1943 16th May 2012 20:50

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Thanks but because I'm not fluent in english language I not understand much that discussion about MACRs....

Leendert 17th May 2012 20:58

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Salerno1943,

The names you're after most likely the ones on this link: http://arkansasgravestones.org/view.php?id=144254

Those other names are Elwood E. Carr, Jess W. Cotham, Jack B. Lavender and Roy O. Woody.

Both Prchal and Ziesel are mentioned too and they're probably all from the same B-24 lost on 11 January 1943.

Regards,

Leendert

SALERNO1943 19th May 2012 18:04

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
This morning we find this:

PRATT & WHITNEY AIRCRAFT
A. C. OR BU. MODEL
R-1830-43
A.C. OR BU. NO.
41 - 15 101
http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7845/dvc07947.jpg

Leendert 21st May 2012 20:24

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Salerno,

The engine number must somehow lead to the identity of the B-24. The B-24D model used P & W R-1830-43 engines, I believe.

Sgt Jack B(uren) Lavender was the Radio Operator.

Regards,
Leendert

SALERNO1943 21st May 2012 20:38

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Thanks Leendert. I also believe engine number can give us some help to identify aricraft. However there are no MACRs for B-24 shot down 11 january 1943 so I can't compare engine number...

SALERNO1943 22nd May 2012 11:59

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Some idea about these fragments and about aircraft?

What it is?
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/462/dvc08024.jpg

What it is?
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3039/dvc08025.jpg

What it is?
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3556/dvc08026.jpg

handwriting
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7651/dvc08027.jpg

32E1685, 32W2014 171, 32E3067, 32D2005-23, G102AY60 470.., http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9871/dvc08028.jpg

parts
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6940/dvc08029.jpg

What it is? 05 1050
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5326/dvc08030.jpg

...014
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/5885/dvc08031.jpg

What it is?
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9231/dvc08032.jpg

What it is?
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6787/dvc08033.jpg

What it is?
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9053/dvc08034.jpg

42A7308 42A7327
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7029/dvc08035.jpg

LUNKENHEIMER. What it is?
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3327/dvc08036.jpg

Fragments of equipment
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/416/dvc08037.jpg

CAUTION HIGH VOLTAGE STOP DYNAMOTOR BEFORE REMOVING THIS COVER
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4008/dvc08038.jpg

N.P. 62964 What it is?
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/949/dvc08039.jpg

Leendert 26th May 2012 09:14

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Salerno1943,

The AFHSO in Washington, DC, was so kind to provide the full crew list of Lt Prchal's B-24.

Next to the already mentioned men (Prchal, Ziesel, Cotham, Lavender, Carr and Woody) there also were 2nd Lt Theodore P. Schoonmaker (navigator and the only survivor) and bombardier 2nd Lt Earl G. Matheny.
Matheny is buried in San Antonio, Texas (picture on findagrave.com).

Can you send me a PM with your (personal) e-mail address so that I can send you pages 90-93 from the book The Libarandos. and some other info about the 11 Jan 1943 bombing mission to Napoli.

Regards,

Leendert

SALERNO1943 26th May 2012 16:38

Re: Request info about B-24 and his crew
 
Many thanks for your precious help. I received the pages from another member of forum. I'm writing a a rticle that hope to translate in english also.
Many thanks again.
My e-mail and web site that I cooperate www.1943salerno.it redazione@1943salerno.it


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