Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Seeking details on this pilot and his shooting down on 24th Dec.44 reported as a prisoner of war,

Thanks

Brian Bines

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Hello Brian,

i only found this at lostarcraft.de closest to that date in question:

23.12.1944, Bf 109 G-14, Werk-Nr. 512339, yellow 11, 3. (I.)/JG 77, Fw. Hans Richter (MIA), crash location Dümpelfeld

Horrido
Norbert

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

I/NAGr.1? Hmmm..............

On 24 Dec 1944, 1./NAGr. 1 was at Herzogenaurach with Me 262s. There are now nearly a half-dozen books in English and German on the Me 262 that purportedly list all known losses of this type. Have you checked any of them? If not, then perhaps someone here has the more recent ones. All I have is Manfred Jurleit - Strahljäger Me 262 im Einsatz: Alle Geschwader, Gruppen und Kommandos (Berlin, 1993), which is now 19 years OOP. The 2-volume book has an appendix with all the Me 262 losses, but there is none for that date and unit.

L.

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Postscript:

I have just discovered that 1./NAGr. 1 did not begin receiving Me 262s until February 1945, so you evidently have some bad information there, or at least it would seem so.


1./NAGr. 1
(Unit Code Q1+)


Formation. (November 1944)
Formed on or about 22 November 1944 at Langendiebach/Hesse (ex-1.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 121) and equipped with Messerschmitt Bf 109G single-seat reconnaissance aircraft. Plans changed and it was decided to convert the Staffel to the Me 262 jet as will be seen below.[1]

Germany. (December 1944 - May 1945)
10 December 1944: Staffel in transfer from Langendiebach to Herzogenaurach.
10 January 1945: at Herzogenaurach.
5 February 1945: Herzogenaurach under Stab/NAGr. 1.
February 1945: began receiving Messerschmitt Me 262 jets at Herzogenaurach.
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[1] G.Tessin - Verbände und Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen-SS im Zweiten Weltkrieg 1939-1945, Teil 14: Die Luftstreitkräfte (Osnabrück, 1980); N.Kannapin - Die deutsche Feldpostübersicht 1939-1945, 3 Bde (I – III) (Osnabrück, 1980-82); M.Jurleit - Strahljäger Me 262 im Einsatz: Alle Geschwader, Gruppen und Kommandos (Berlin, 1993), p.116; PRO London: DEFE 3 ULTRA signals HP8068, HP9167, BT1989, BT6376, BT9223, BT9693, KO310; AFHRA Maxwell: decimal 512.625S (British Air Ministry) OKL document; BA-MA Freiburg: Signatur RL 4 II/32; BA-MA Freiburg: Signatur RL 40/Kart; M.Holm-website ww2.dk.

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Talking of which: http://www.ghostbombers.com/recon/262/1nag1.html

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Thanks guys for the help this was the origin of my request :- http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=29210

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

N.B.: if the fellas here did a little googling before posting their questions, you, me, a bunch of others and TOCH! itself would all be out of business! ;):rolleyes::D

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Fhj.-Fw. Hans Schuster, not Richter!!!, sorry for my mistake!!! (getting older!!) was member with 2./NAGr. 1, the former 4.(Eins.)/F 123. The unit moved at 4. September 1944 from Trier-Euren to Niedermendig and left this Airbase around 20. Februar 1945! Schuster was shoot down in Combat at 24. Dezember 1944 in the Area of Trier near the Border of Luxembourg (I found the crashplace of his 109G-6/G-8. His Rottenflieger was able to came back to Niedermendig.) He bailed out but landed near a small village in Luxembourg and became PoW. At around 1956 he contacted the WASt in Berlin and left Germany for an new life in Australia. Richter get the DiK for over "100 erfolgreiche Bildeflüge", he has also 5 or more Abschüsse.
At Niedermendig was also an Nachtkette from NAGr. 13 with Fw 189, they lost one of this planes during take off. (Ardennenoffensive)

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Fhj.-Fw. Hans Schuster, not Richter!!!, sorry for my mistake!!! (getting older!!) - Thanks for the information, and I know the feeling (getting older),

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

2./NAGr.1 Niedermendig December 1944, Staffelkapitän OLtn. Werner Kohla (2nd from left), Fhj.-Fw. Hans Schuster, 2nd from right)

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Thanks for posting the photo,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Hi Brian,

From my collection, Schuster & Kohla whilst serving with 4./(F)123, France 1944.

Regards

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Hi Melvin,

Thanks very much for posting the photos,

Best Wishes

Brian Bines

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

No problem Brian, you have helped me no end in the past, its the least I could do, the photos came from the album of Herbert Blochberger.

Regards

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Where in Herzogenaurach was an airfield usable for Me 262's?

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Herzogenaurach
Dimensions: approx 750 x 1,400 meters.
Runway: grass surface with two camouflaged concrete starting platforms at the NW and SW corners of the landing area. The field had a beam approach system, perimeter lighting and obstruction lighting.
[above information as of 17 November 1944]

Answer: nowhere. To the best of my knowledge, Herzogenaurach was not intended to be an operational airfield for the Me 262. That entry came from an ULTRA signal, I believe, and appears to have been mis-translated. It probably means, "1./NAGr. 1 at Herzogenaurach began receiving Me 262s in February 1945." As you know, a unit could be billeted at almost any airfield and the pilots ordered to report to Lechfeld, Neuburg/Donau, u.a., for Me 262 conversion training. On completion of the re-equipping and conversion process, the unit would be transferred to an operational airfield with a runway capable to handling the Me 262. There were quite a number of airfields in Germany that were having their runways extended and hardened from fall 1944 through spring 1945 so they could handle the jet aircraft.

L.

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Ultra makes pretty good sense overall on 1./NAG 1 and the Me 262. It does look like the Staffel (and definitely the ground echelon) was in Herzogenaurach but the jets were not. They had not been allocated their Me 262s as late as 15 March 1945, although the inference is that they are about to get them.

Re: Fw. Hans Richter I/NAGr.1 24-12-1944
 

Schuster hs been already wounded on sept.44

10 8 44 4 F123 19332 04 Ost BA LFK BF109G-8 710121 Bl11


Schuster was born i. Leipzig on 29.Dec. 1920

Rémi