Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Hi all,

I am looking for information about a B17F n° 42-30803, that was allegedly hit by Flak and crashed near the Pyrénées mountains, in the south of France on 1 December 1943.

Any data is welcome, thanks a lot for your help,

GC

Data: B17F N° 42-30803, 8th Air force 1 st Bomb division, 92nd BG 325th BS, Mission 145 (Solingen / Leverkusen)
Crew:Pilot: 2nd lt HALE GEORGE (KIA)
Copilot 2nd lt SMITH Everett D (KIA)
Gunner: ANDERSON Ralph W (KIA)
Radio: LOCKMAN Frank C (KIA)
Navigator:2nd Lt KELLY James M (KIA)
Bomber:2nd Lt HUGHES Paul H (KIA)
Gunner: Sgt MADISON Louis B (KIA)
Gunner S/Sgt QUARTES Lloyd C (KIA)
Gunner : S/Sgt LILIENTHAL Wm C Jr (KIA)
Gunner :WILSON Donld L (prisoner)

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Hi Gilles,
that one crashed at Germany.
Why do you think at France?

kind regards,
FrankieS

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

mm...

I was asking this question on behalf of a friend of mine (who does not speak much english):

I shall ask him where and how he got this information and I shall revert to you as sooon as I have his feedback.

Thanks for your checks, FranckieS, & best regards

Gilles

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Confusion perhaps due to website b17-france.org which gives Monjoie-en-Cousserons as crashsite.
Location is Monschau, Germany instead?

Regards,

Leendert

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

MACR1387 431201 B-17 42-30803 92 325 George C. Hale(0-677489) Siegburg
crash: 53881 Elsig-Frauenberg bei Euskirchen D

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Losses of the 8th and 9th Air Forces vol 1 states that the ball turret was blown off and the no.2 engine was set on fire. The entire interior was in flames, then it broke in two. Location is given as Elsig, near Frauenburg - just as has been pointed out.

HTH
Nick

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Thanks guys,

I check with my contact and revert to you when I get an update.

Cheers

GC

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Here is what I have:

Del Dallas 30/7/43; Gore 31/7/43; Dallas 3/8/43; ass 325BS/92BG [NV-O] Podington 27/9/43; MIA Leverkusen 1/12/43 w/Hale; flak, cr Montjoie, Fr; 9KIA 1POW; MACR 1387.


So, the crash is listed as in France at Montjoie in "The B-17 Flying Fortress Story" by Roger A. Freeman with David Osborne.




Ed

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Hi Ed,

thanks for taking time to serach, I appreciate.

However, something is not clear to me. I read:

"Missing In Action in Leverkusen on 1/12/43 w/Hale; flak,"
then,
" cr Montjoie, Fr;"

what does "cr" mean ?
and finally, where did it actually crah ?

kind regards

Gilles

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

cr means crash. According to the report, it crashed in France at Montjoie.




Ed

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

I should have guessed....

Thanks Ed.

Gilles

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Ed,

Is there any reason why there would be a discrepancy between your info and mine? Both of them would appear to be very reputable sources and it really leaves me wondering who is correct...

Nick

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Please note a phonetic similarity between Monschau (GE) and Montjoie (FR). I don't know what the MACR report says here. Moreover, Montjoie is the French name for Monschau...!

In a previous post I mentioned this German town because one of the crew members reportedly was killed near that town in the crash.

MACR report (on Fold3) says 50.41 N 06.20 E which is in Germany.

Location of mission (Solingen, Leverkusen) precludes any crash in any French town with that name.

Regards,

Leendert

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Hello Leendert:
50.41 N 06.20 E would be in Belgium:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=50.41&lon=...0.41%2C%206.20

May be it is meant 50° 41' N, 06° 20'
which indeed would be in Germany:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=50.68333&l...33%2C%206.3333

bye, best wishes,
Frank

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

Gentlemen,

all locations mentioned are wrong.
The crash location is 3kmwest of EUSKIRCHEN between Elsig und Dürscheven50041'N/ 06"20'E .
Evidence: Madison, Hughes, Lilienthal an Lochman were initially burried at Dürscheven, Smith at Elsig on 2nd Dec 1943. Anderson was laid to rest at Euskirchen.

Jörg

Re: Looking for information about B17F n° 42-30803 crashed on 1/12/43 in Montjoie en couserans
 

again, thanks all for your help.

I investigate on my side and I get results, I keep you posted.

Best regards

Gilles