hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hi guys,

Can anyone please provide details over the loss of Hans Vetter killed on 21.03.1943 and his brohter ?



http://www.robert-noss.de/auction/120712/foto-7b.jpg

http://www.robert-noss.de/auction/120712/foto-7.jpg


thanks regards
Mike

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hi,

The writer is the Brother/Sister from Hans, he crashed with plane And on the picture is too the Cousin/Vetter (Vetter Namen Emil, Emil is a Child from a uncle)

LG

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

I could not find anything for 21-3-43 however GQM report dated 31-3-43 has on the 30-3-43 Do217 1443 of 2/NJG3 crashlanded at Wittmundhafen following engine fire 70% damage, with Bf Ofw Vetter injured.

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hi,

Could it be Leutnant Wilhelm Vetter, Staffelführer of 1./Schlachtgeschwader 2, missing in Tunisia on 22 March 1943 after being shot down by anti-aircraft fire? He was from Swabia.

Cheers,
Andrew A.

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Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

I got a PM from lilsis which says it translates as 'My brother Hans and his cousin (Vetter = old German for cousin) Emil. so only the first names of the two airmen is known. Was the photo taken in April 1943 but notes the brother being involved in a crash on 21-3-1943 ?

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hi again,

It Seems moe to be a (Post) Card wrote in April 1943, Maked in Schluchtern (now Leinfelden by Heilbronn) at the side stand Fr. (shorting for Frau ? ) Selzer.

LG

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

No Hans was killed in 21. or 22.3.1942. However, in 20.3.1943 there were two:
1943-03-20, 2./JGr. Süd, Bf 109E-7, 6344, 11 rote
Lt Adam, Hans Flugzeugführer +
1943-03-20, FFS A/B 115, Ar 96B-1, 964096
Ogefr Diehl, Hans Flugschüler +

Matti

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

zum einigen andenken an meine brüder Hans sowie emiel Vetter

Hans Am 21.03 tötlich abgesturtz

April 1943

it is posible that the date is a year of 2 after his death

regards Mike

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Looking at the photo the man on the left is a Feldwebel of the Flight Section but I cannt make out his badge (Glider pilot ?) . The Obergefreiter wears the badge of a Beobachter, the silver(?) Transport mission badge plus EK1 and II. In conjunction with lilsis the writing translates to ''In remembering my brother Hans and cousin Emil - Hausern ? fatal crash 21-03-?? ''. If the card was written in April 1943 then the fatal crash would likely be 1943 if the photo was taken in April 43 then it would be a later year. Other writing shows copies were made in Feb.1945 possibly for a Frau Selzer of the Fw, possibly making him as being Fw Emil Selzer. Is anything known of such a crash on 21-3-43/44 in the Hausern ( or Klausern ) area of a Bo. Hans of the Transport Fliers,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hello Mike,

so the photo shows Hans and his cousin in April 1943.

Then later, on 21. March in the year 1943 or 1944 Hans was killed in an aircraft crash/accident.

Karl

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

It is not "Hausern" but "Hans am 21.3." (Hans in 21.3.) as Mike wrote.

My explanation to the text on back side of the photo is:

Fr Setzer
Fw allein
2 x Vergr. 18/24
+ 6.K Zusammen
8/2 45

Possible translation:
For Mrs. Setzer 2 ea prints of size 18/24 cm only from Fw. Additionally 6 kopies of the whole photo. Ordererd (or to be ready) February 2, 1945.

I don't think, that this text has anything to do with the loss itself.

Matti

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hi Matti, correct that i And Brian think too, mrs. Selzer let make copies. But another Question came up. Who say that Hans was Killed at 21.03.

For us it seems that a Brother or Sister from Hans wrote the first Text datet April 1943, then Maybe later this Person wrote " ist toetlich abgestürzt 21.03", but who Hans or Cousin Emil, Sometimes later ( 08.02.1945 Mrs. selzer) make the Copies


LG

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

I have no Emil Selzer in my database. The following is possible, although one week earlier date:
1944-03-14, 7./KG 30, Ju 88A-4, 301535, 4D+LR, London, Vom Feindflug nicht zurückgekehrt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ogfr Hasenberger, Rudolf, vermißt
Kampfbeobachter Uffz Schäfer, Karl, vermißt
Bordfunker Gefr Jakoblich, Friedrich, vermißt
Bordschütze Ogfr Hans Selzer, vermißt

That is the only loss I have for Hans (or Johann) Selzer.

Matti

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Matti thanks for the info.and the clarification on the writing on the photo. The Ogef.Hans Selzer missing 14-03-44 no. 62707/161 was born at Worms am Rhein on 12-01-20 which was also his last home address when he went missing. The Ogef. in Mike's photo appears to be a Beobachter in a Transport unit in 1943, is it likely he would be a Bs in a bomber unit in 1944 and does the no. 62707 help in anyway,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hello at all,

It is great to see that a lot of People all around the world worked and gave a picture a name, thanks.

LG

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

hi guys ,
many thanks to evyerone for helping me!

Regards
Mike

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hi Mike,

I see the photo is from an auction are there any other photos/documents that might give further information. I wonder about Frau Selzer if she was the wife or mother of Hans or Emil that would give at least one surname, if though she was the sister of Hans her married surname would not apply to either of them. I would have thought the April 1943 would be when the photo was taken and that it indicates both men were killed in the war. If this is correct then Emil may have fallen before Feb. 45 when the Fotos of the Fw. allein (Emil) were requested. ''Hans am 21-03'' might then apply to 1944 or 45, Matti has already suggested a possible loss for 1944. However if 1945 is a possibility I wonder if this one should be considered ( it would depend on if the name Johannes would be shortened to Hans) on 20-3-45 a Ju52 of I/TG1 crashed killing the crew of Staffel Kapitan Hpt.Lau and his crew no cause or location shown. The 2nd. pilot was a Fw. Johannes Hansen, unfortunately without any further information this is only a guess with only the date, being a fatal crash from a transport unit, and the possibility that an Ogef 'B' from 43 might have progressed to a 2nd Ff and a Fw. by 1945.
I must admit to being intrigued to find an answer when a request for info, such as this one comes up,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: hans vetter +++21.03.1943
 

Hi,
I will contact the seller,
If I hear anything I will contact you.

Regards
Mike