Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Hello,

Nice color film of the brand new Fw 190 A9 captured in may 1945 in the Ago factory (see 5,18 minutes after the start of the film.


http://resources.ushmm.org/film/disp...?file_num=0364


Best regards.
Rémi

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

That's really good footage! That was new to me, thanks for sharing!

Cheers! / Anders

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/...n/Untitled.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/.../Untitled2.jpg
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/.../Untitled3.jpg

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Lovely!

Nice to see that they "appears" to be painted with RLM81 and 82, even though the 82 looks very dark.

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

With a little photoshopping:

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A little larger

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Great work Chris!

Thanks
Marc

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Chriss,

Thanks for theese very good stills from this film.

Could you do the same with the Fw 190 D9 (coded blue 12 of JG 6) surendered at Fürth (see 1,50 minutes after the start of this other color film) ?

http://resources.ushmm.org/film/disp...?file_num=5451

Best regards.

Rémi

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Wow! Very impressive vids! Also very interesting is the Luftflotte 4 Ju87 (starts at 4:30) in the last vid.

Cheers, Simon

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Here it is another personal attempt at a panoramic view...

http://win.150gct.it/public/veltro/FW90_col3.jpg

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Amazing...

If I was living alone, I would blow it up as a wallpaper for my living room;-))

Cheers
Marc

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Ferdinando - great work! Really great to see the colours so clear!

Cheers, Simon

BTW: The Ju87 I mentioned in the second vid is the H5+CK (just the red C was painted on) from 2./NSGr.10. The W.Nr. is unknown to me. On two pics I know from this bird no W.Nr. is visible.

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Here is next ''Fw190'' :) :

"...A group of American soldiers sitting or standing near and on an FW-190...."'
- of course looks like Bf109 :)

Time for view: 11:08:42:07

Source: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), 342 USAF 18457


http://resources.ushmm.org/film/disp...p?file_num=174

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Thanks for your rare find, Kris

It is a WNF built Bf 109 G-14 in the W.Nr.51x xxx range; the first two digits can be clearly seen. A very rare breed of 109 indeed; I know only 11 pictures representing 5 different planes from this producer.

Marc

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Marc , please try to ID more details from photo.
It is very interesting.

Kris

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Kris,

Wish I could... The yellow tail band which indicates a training unit is the only sensible information I may add. So either a JFS or JG 1xx machine.
I wonder which airfield is close to Dachau?

Cheers
Marc

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Gröbenried?

Edit:

See Charles answer below. I though that Gröbenried was infact used during WWII.

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Thanks Oberst!

Marc

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Hello Marc,

in 1944/45 yellow Rumfbänder perhaps were not special indicators for training units. At that time these markings were often allready painted on aircraft not yet allocated to a certain unit. There are quite a few fotos of Bf109s, even of the K-4 type, without any tactical markings, but showing yellow bands. One rather well known aircraft is Bf109G-6 Werknummer 165545 captured at Augsburg and fotographed in color. It was intended for being used as a testbed at MTT, but had an accident on its ferry-flight to Memmingen.

Gröbenied airfield is only a small field used for private gliders since 1981. AFAIK, it did not exict during wartime. A well known airfield next to Dachau is Schleißheim, being less than 5 Kilometers south of the infamous KZ.

HTH

Carl

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Many thanks Carl,

I absolutely didn't know the other meaning of the yellow tail band. This really enlightens my understanding of late war photos 109's which do show such markings.

And Schleissheim is an obvious location being so close.
Thanks again for your time and informations
Marc

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

A couple of larger screen shots:

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/a...2_edited-1.jpg

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/a...6_edited-1.jpg

Color scheme appears to be RLM 74/75/76. Does the 74 looks almost black to anyone else?

D.B.

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I'm thinking that it might be RLM81 in combination with RLM75. There are some dark not very saturated versions of RLM 81 that I believe could easily be mistaken for a dark RLM74 when seen in combination with 75. Specially in old colorfilm where subtle tones might be hard to distinguish. Thanks for the shots though!

EDIT: Having seen the actual clip now, it's hard to say much except that the lighter color is RLM75. In a few frames the darker color on the spine looked like a perfect example of RLM74 but the exposure and general quality of the film makes it very hard to be certain. It could be an RLM74/75 scheme touched up with RLM70 or something similar. Very hard to tell.

Cheers / Anders

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Here is the same film with Bf109:

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65...rican-soldiers

Text/description is:

''...Location: Dachau Germany
Date: 1945, April ------ The Concentration Camp in Dachau, Germany. A group of American soldiers sitting and standing near and in a Messerschmitt Bf-109 (G-6 or G-14 "Black 1") . A US soldier joking around and hanging from the propeller of the aircraft as other soldiers rotate it. A swastika drawn on the tail of the Bf-109. Soldiers stand around the tail of the Bf-109 (Me-109). ...''

Best regards,

Kris

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

... of 2./NSGr.10, +C - not one of the more commonly photographed/seen NSGr.10 87s either and unusual in that it's got it's wheel spats still fitted. I only recall seeing one other of their aircraft still wearing those - Ju 87D-5, +I, WNr.?.

Don't have my references to hand, but probably have more information, i.e. it's WNr and other tactical markings, somewhere ...

Cheers,
Chris

Simon - just noticed further along this thread you've already noted this - sorry for the duplicate info :)

Color film FW 190 in may 1945 + photo same plane
 

Hello,

A black and white photo of the same plane can be seen page 161 (bottom) of the very good book "LO+ST" (author = Hideki Noro).
This front view shows well the partially dark (81) painted underwing.

Regards.

Rémi

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

I guess what others were doing but all the files are missing from the discussion so I've spent few minutes fixing the colors a bit. Unfortunately most of the footage is heavily underexposed which killed the colors quite especially in shadows & darker tones & made corrections from such a small resolution video quite hard...
But still maybe someone will find this useful :)

http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col..._JG6_Furth.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...190_D-9_07.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...190_D-9_06.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...190_D-9_05.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...190_D-9_04.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...190_D-9_03.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...190_D-9_02.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...190_D-9_01.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...Factory_02.jpg
http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Col...Factory_01.jpg << panoramic composite

Please note - files are a bit wider so they make the board look uneven so I am posting them as links. Hope that is ok?

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Those are Fw 190 A-8s in the 739000 W.Nr. block found at that Ago factory not A-9s.

Cheers, Jerry

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Thanks for the correction Jerry.

Still very interesting to see the camo quite clearly. Pity the film was so heavily underexposed drops shadows totally off when it comes to tone & details.

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Hallo,

The link to watch the film (post 1) does not work any more.

I would be please to watch it again.

Does any one have an idea to find this film again ?

Best regards.

Rémi Baudru

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

I not sure if this is exactly the same film, but it shows the Fw 190A-8's at AGO Oschersleben.
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1000120

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Thank you Mike,

This film is far better than the first one (more Fw 190) !

Thank you very much.

Rémi

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Hallo,
the first Fw 190 in this film is WNr. 739484. I have the number on a photo.

And, yes, most of the last AGO-made Fw 190 are A-8.

BUT (as I worte in my book at pg.240) there are some A-9 between them. AGO got some TS-engines in March 1945 and sent 10 fuselages for A-9 in March 45 to Lutherwerke Brunswick.

Re: Color film brand new FW 190 in may 1945
 

Were some of these A-9 airframes in the factory at the end of the war?