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edwest 5th November 2005 05:31

RAF Combat Reports
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6576093398
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6576092884




Usual disclaimer,
Ed

nick de carteret 5th November 2005 06:02

Re: RAF Combat Reports
 
How do these items keep appearing for auction? Can one assume that they are stolen?

Ota Jirovec 5th November 2005 08:32

Re: RAF Combat Reports
 
Ed,

Many thanks for posting these links. Just a note: the latter pilot´s name was not Kauky, but Kaucký (interesting that it appeared mispelled in the original document, but perhaps it just proves the rush of those days...)

Ota

Franek Grabowski 5th November 2005 11:45

Re: RAF Combat Reports
 
Chalupa's is a fake.

alex crawford 5th November 2005 16:04

Re: RAF Combat Reports
 
Hi Franek,

What do you mean by fake? The actual report or Chalupa's claim?

Alex

Franek Grabowski 5th November 2005 16:18

Re: RAF Combat Reports
 
Alex
I mean the report is fake. It is obvious but nonetheless I compared it to copy of actual Chalupa's report of the day.

Peter Cornwell 5th November 2005 16:35

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I share Franek's doubts about both these reports. From notes I made on consulting the original documents in the AHB over 35 years ago there appear to be some curious inconsistencies in detail which trouble me. If these are still held by NA(PRO) at Kew someone can make a comparison.
However, if they are NOT now at Kew then the appropriate authorities should be informed. They have issued search warrants on my friends' collections before now on far less evidence than this.

Franek Grabowski 5th November 2005 17:38

Re: RAF Combat Reports
 
Peter
I am fully certain it is a fake. It is not Chalupa's signature - I have copies of his reports.

Fairlop 5th November 2005 17:53

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Quote:

I share Franek's doubts about both these reports.
Me too.
Just now I have read Czech translations of original war Combat reports.
1) Kaucky took part in two separate actions on the 15th and his claims were at 12.05 and at about 2.00 pm.
2) He claimed Do 215s.
3) The E-bay "report" is in a lot of details unlike the war report.

Michal

edwest 6th November 2005 05:28

Re: RAF Combat Reports
 
Then, by all means, report this to the proper authorities.


On another subject, I read a lengthy article about a man who spends his time looking for fake expensive watches on eBay. Sadly, once a collectible reaches a point where it can be counterfeited for a cost below what it can be sold for, it will be. But this can occur at reputable auction houses as well. A friend of mine told a reputable auction house that a certain piece of artwork was not original but done by another studio. His claim was refuted, but later, he was proved correct.


Ed

RodM 6th November 2005 05:51

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The dealer who sells these "combat reports" has sold many, many such documents on e-Bay over the years.

There have been a considerable number of allegations on the internet concerning this dealer and his father (who, alledgedly has been investigated for forgery of militaria by the UK authorities in the past) over the use of an old typewriter and unused stocks of paper. Many of these "combat reports" have sold for amount in the hundreds of pounds.

The same dealer has made considerable amounts of money (at times numbering in the hundreds of pounds) selling white Royal Navy pattern sweaters (apparently able to be purchased for around 10 pounds) as geniune WWII RAF Frocks Aircrew Sweaters. It is an easily proven fact (purusal of the wartime specification and surviving geniune examples) that the sweaters being sold are not what they are claimed to be.

BUYER BEWARE!

Franek Grabowski 6th November 2005 20:36

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I am not sure who are the proper authorities and I am not certain if I could be considered an expert by a court but a case of Chalupa's report is very easy to prove.


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