Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Hi,


I would like to use two prints coming from the archives of Bundesarchiv for a forthcoming article in a French magazine.

I was told that the copies and fees are prohibives.

Does anybody know the fees for using them ?

Thanks in advance,

Bertrand

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

.. IIRC the fee you pay depends on circulation/copies printed. Really, it is not worth bothering with the BA, the fee you earn for your article won't even cover the cost of using 'their' images..and they always insist on a copy of the work the pics appear in. Not as expensive as the SHD though. My advice would be to look at other options first.

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Hi.

I do not find the fees excessive.

For example would a fee for a photo reproduced in a magazine with 5000 copies produced cost approx 25 Euros, and for a publication with 25000 copies it is approx 35 Euros.

Afaik this fee give you a digital copy in print quality and the right to use it.

I do not know how much you get paid for writing such an article in France, but it is not unheard of that such a reproduction fee is covered by the publisher, and not the author.

Regards and good luck with your article.

Andreas B

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

All the Bundarchives photos are Public Domain (they have no copyright attached), so you are not required to pay a fee to use any of them.

According to Bundarchives directly:

All photos are licensed under the Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Germany (CC BY-SA 3.0).

You can:


Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work

Remix — to adapt the work

Make commercial use of the work


Mike

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Hi, Mike

Well, then it seems that the BA does not agree with the BA.

Do you have a direct information from the BA Koblenz that states that their photo collection can be used commercially without any fees whatsoever?

If that is the case Ill get in the car and go to Koblenz tomorrow morning and buy a few TB's of harddrives on the way.

Very good news indeed

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Sure.
You can do that once but you end up on their black list and will not be able to order anything in the future!

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Salut Bertrand,

All is there:
http://www.bundesarchiv.de/imperia/m...verordnung.pdf

Chris

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

All WW2 German photos, documents, handbooks and manuals were all released into Public Domain in 1945, due to the Enemy Property Act. Basically, previously copyrighted "WW2" items, lost copyright, as it was considered to be WW2 propoganda, etc.

If the BA is personally giving you access to their files, and they are investing time to research or find the photos you want, make prints, etc. then they can charge anything for those "services".

They released all their photos onto Wikimedia Commons, under the above noted license, as a cooperation / sharing project. This was done many years ago.

Read the license agreement at the bottom of this page:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...mberichter.jpg

This agreement allows anyone to copy, share, and distribute any of the photos, royalty free. You would just have to find the one you are looking for in Wikimedia to save yourself the "service" charges.



Mike

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Hi, Mike

Just a question - if they as you say released all their photographs onto wikimedia, how dobyou search this site?

I have numerous references noted from my visits to Koblenz, but I cannot find them.

Also - when I search this site with keywords Bf 109 or Me 109 and Bundesarchiv I end up with about 40 results. I have seen hundreds of Bf 109 images in Koblenz. So yes, they may have uploaded a few images to the site, but it seems to be very far from the entire collection.

As to the copyright discussion and BA. It pops up now and then with especially US and UK based voices pointing at this Enemy Property Act, but it does not seem to have any effect whatsoever - the simple fact is that the original material is at the BA, and they call the shots with regards to access and usage.



Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

The BA cannot control the use of the images...they lost all copyrights in 1945...and that is the law. But...they can control who they provide their services to, and what they charge for their services.

Use "-"...so Me-109, anstead of Me109, for example...you will see over 500 images.

mike

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Hi,

Thank you very much for participating in this thread. I do not imagine that this question would generate so many answers !

Bertrand

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Hi.

As always this ends up with the question whose law... for most europeans what is law in the US are not necessarily law in their country. What you are implying is that anyone could walk into the BA in Koblenz with a laptop and a negative scanner and demand access to the negatives, scan them and sell scans on the internet ( for example). Sadly I myself is a coward in this regard, as I do not want to use too much time and money caught in a legal battle

Who will be the first to do it? Must be several from the community here with free time, send me a pm and I will set you up with the equipment... as long as I get copies for research and publication.

And when we finish in Koblenz, Freiburg, Berlin and NARA would be next.

Anyone know what arrangements you must do to set up camp at NARA for a month?

I guess Selke GmbH will be quite happy now!

Well, seems I have a lot to do in the near future.

Regards,
Andreas

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Hi, Bertrand

I guess the main reason for the activity in the thread is the impact free access to BA collections and the possibility to copy everything and use it at will would have.

It is possible that this is the law - what the real practical limitations are remains to be seen!

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

[It is possible that this is the law - what the real practical limitations are remains to be seen! ]

You are right but finally the interesting info of the cost are in the pdf :

4.11 a) bis 3.000 Exemplaires 15,34

4.12 b) bis 5.000 Exemplare 25,56

4.13 c) bis 25.000 Exemplare 35,79
4.14 d) bis 50.000 Exemplare 46,02

etc

Re: Archives of BundesArchiv
 

Andreas,

Apart from the US archives (maybe not all of them), no depository is free of charge: ECPA-D and SHD/A in France, BA in Germany, IWM in UK all require reproduction fees.

Chris