NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Hi,
Could anyone help me out with a copy of the above?
Cheers
Joe

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Hi Joe,

Sent NVM to your e-mail address earlier today.

Regards

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Anyone have the complete names and crew positions for the crew of this machine?

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

F Uffz. Gerhard Straube, B Uffz. Alfred Schiffmann, BF Uffz. Hans Sing and BS Gefr. Heinz Wende killed

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Melvin,
Thanks very much, that is vital info.
Regards
Joe

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Thanks Ed. Jim

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Hi - sorry for the late reply but I would be interested to know if anyone can confirm the identity of the Mosquito flown by F/O N S Head with F/O A C Andrews acting as observer which was involved in this action.

I know it was a Mosquito XIII of 96 Squadron flying from West Malling.

Thanks

Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

I would be most grateful if anyone could help to identify which part of the above aircraft the attached data plate relates to or indeed any other information that the plate may disclose.

Nick

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

HI

88.343 plate from fin height right.

Best regards

Jarek

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

"Starboard horizontal tailplane"
Höhenflosse Rechts, Zeichn.Nr. 88.343,
applicable to A-1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, C-1, 2, 4, 5, 7, D-1, 2
(Ref: Parts manual, April 1941)

Production date of the part is August 1940, so if coming from A-4 140099 4D+FP (or 4D+IP) shot down at Blackbrook, Hollywood Common, nr Docking, Britain 14.03.1944....
Then this be re-used, re-cycled or spare part. Production version in August 1940 was the A-5, but many A-1 and A-5 parts were compatible for use on A-4 or other sub-versions.

My two pennies,
Ed

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

Jarek/Ed

Many thanks.

Yes - the part was recovered recently from the Blackbrook site and is, I understand, from a Ju88A-4 Werke Nr. 140099 coded 4D + FP. I will post photos of a couple of other bits we are trying to identify.

Nick

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

Can anyone kindly translate and suggest where this will have been located ?

Nick

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

Not seen such instruction placard before (that I remember). BTW the 140099 dates from about June 1942, new-(parts) made in April/May 42, so it might have had more replacement/re-cycled parts fitted, but no crash over 10% recorded.

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

I have this as NF.XIII MM451 of 96 SQ

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Thanks Ed.
Chris Goss has also confirmed this id. via reference to F/O Head's Log Book.
Nick

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

If plane is elevated (Tail on stand) and engine not supported, do not remove the cap.

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

Thanks for the translation. Does anyone know where this warning would have been located ?

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

This one is obviously a component data plate but again if anyone is able to provide identification/more information I would be most grateful.

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

Hello Yeomans,

If the Hersteller code of the last photo you posted is as I believe, “jfw,“ then it would be:

Otto Bark, Motoren/Wasserpumpe für Jumo 211 (1945), Dresden, Tharandterstr. 35 (S).

Steve Sheflin

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

Steve,

Many thanks. Yes - the Hersteller code is "jfw".

The aircraft was a Ju88A-4 that crashed at Blackbrook, North Holmwood, UK on 14 March 1944.

Nick

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Thanks to Yeomans I'm at this respectable forum :)
And of course with ask due to this aircraft. Maybe someone could help with any photo documentation about Ju 88's from the same period of time and from the same KG 30 unit?

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

The description we have is :

"the camouflage of the upper surfaces was a light blue-grey mottled dark green. The undersurfaces were spray painted black, whilst the engine cowlings were yellow with wavy lines of black".

I believe this is known as the "Wellenmuster" camouflage scheme but have been unable to trace any photographs of Ju88's from KG30 dating from the Winter/Spring 1944 that appear to match this description. Most seem to have a predominately green upper surface with blue-grey "squiggles" - excuse the technical term. I would be most grateful for any help with this.

I am aware that an aircraft from 4/KG30 coded 4D + AM was shot down on 21/22 March 1944 at Latchingdon in Essex but haven't been able to find photographs of that aircraft either.

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

I have a number of photos showing this camouflage but not on KG 30 aircraft. Have you looked at Red Kite's book on the Baby Blitz?

Re: NVM for 6/KG30, Loss, Ju 88A-4, 4D+FP, 140099, 14.03.1944.
 

Thanks Chris,
Are you referring to "The Last Blitz - Operation Steinbock" ?

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate/Parts
 

Any ideas on this piece ?

I think the numbering reads 88.03.256.01 and then underneath that 3115.4

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

Yes I am

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

humm... that number likely is one digit too short (8-)88.x03-256.01

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

Ed,

Unfortunately I can't read that missing digit.

On other pieces (not associated with the above) I have :

8 88 735 69
88 735 650
88 509 0203
88 503 196 08

Would be very grateful if you could help with any IDs.

Nick

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

As I know thanks to Yeomans camouflage of the upper surfaces was a light blue-grey.

So it is probably RLM 76 - maybe any different ideas?

With mottled dark green. RLM 70 or 71? - Any ideas?

Soon I'll post hypothetical view so I please You for comments and notices.

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

This time I'm starting with new Ju 88 A-4 of KG 30.
What is the most interesting, that we don't have any photographs. Only few parts of aircraft:

Ju88A-4 Werke Nr. 140099 which crashed in the UK on 13/14 March 1944. The aircraft was from 6/KG30 and was coded 4D+FP.
"The camouflage of the upper surfaces was a light blue-grey mottled dark green. The undersurfaces were spray painted black, whilst the engine cowlings were yellow with wavy lines of black."

And that's all. Maybe someone could help with it.

This profiles will be printed and exposed near to relicts of described Ju 88 A-4, so I would like to reconstruct this the most perfect I can.

My idea of painting:
Bottom parts painted black RLM 22
Upper surfaces RLM 76 - a litlle bit darker variant
Mottled green - RLM 70
Cross - RLM 66
Of course I'm waiting your opinion.
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...ps78d85a2b.jpg

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Another idea of this painting:

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psd361b9dd.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psa816f740.jpg

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate
 

After discussion at forums. I've prepared third version of hypothetical view of Ju 88 A-4 of 6./KG 30. Aircraft was built at 1942 year - so the most probably it had standard RLM 70 / RLM 71 camouflage.
I've decided to pattern this one with wellmunster RLM 76 waves and RLM 22 waves under engine's cowlings. Bottom of aircraft is black.

Balkenkreuz and code nb are in my reconstruction repainted by any color.
I've left code nb black and spinners at RLM 70 - we have no info about it.

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psf8fa80e5.jpg

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I'm attaching final effect of our researches' last changes made thanks to Yeomans:
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...ps56aeacf9.jpg

Re: Ju88 Werke Nr. 140099 Data Plate/Parts
 

Can any of you weapons experts kindly suggest the identity of the attached ? It still held live 7.91 ammunition so a feed to one of the MG81 's perhaps ? I haven't been able to find a photograph or drawing that would seem to match this though.