History of one Bf 109 E-4
 

Hi,

Does anybody help me with a history of the W.Nr. 703 please ?
Comments are much appreciated.

Regards,
Michal

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Hey Michal

This plane was build in 1938 by Erla-Werke Leipzig as version E-3.
On 10. May 1940 this plane belonged to 2.(J)/LG 2 and wears vkz "black 12 +". At this time, it was damaged by an emergency landing because lack of fuel at Euskirchen/Germany.
You can find a picture of this plane in "Luftwaffe im Focus No.1, page 3.

Regards
JoMe

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Hi JoMe,

Thank you very much for the superb info. The date is valid for the emergency landing or I´am in mistake ?
This 109 continued in service with II./JG 51 as personal mount of Hptm. Fözö in 1941.

Regards,
Michal

Re: History of one Bf 109 E-4
 

Hey Michal

The plane was only light damaged, 23 %.

Regard
JoMe

Re: History of one Bf 109 E-4
 

Thanks !

Michal

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The plane arrived on 03 June 1940 in Leipzig for repair and was there mentioned still on 01 August 1940.

Best wishes
Rasmussen

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JoMe,

The information you provided on this "mystery" crash of "Black 12" of 2.(J)/LG 2 is much appreciated. However, this isn't listed as a 10.5.40 incident in Jochen Prien's JFV Vol 3, P. 409. Were did you get this info on a 2 Staffel crash with 23% damage due to fuel exhaustion at Euskirchen, Germany? Is there another data base for this type of information not used in the Prien books?

Thanks and best wishes,

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In reply to this accident on 10.5.40, i have listed that this a/c was being flown by Lt. Helmut Mertens, sadly i dont have a source for this info, but would be open to further speculation.

Rgs,
Steve.

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Hey all together

You can find this loss in Prien-book JG 77, Part 1, page 275, but without the wnr.
I have taken the dates both from Luftwaffe im Focus and JG 77, Part 1.
The pilot of this plane shall be Uffz Friedrich Möller.

Regards
JoMe

Re: History of one Bf 109 E-4
 

Excellent news JoMe,
Thank you.
Rgs,
Steve.

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Hello Gentlemen,

This is a challenging disscussion.

Thanks,
Michal

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JoMe,

I'm sorry but I don't think the 2./JG 77 incident on 10.5.40, involving Uffz. Friedrich Möller cited on P. 275 of Dr. Prien's JG 77 History, Part I, had anything to do with "Black 12," W.Nr. 703, of 2.(J)/LG 2. The two units are not the same and I don't see the connection. W.Nr. 703 more likely crash-landed down somewhere in Holland on that date or sometime close to that date. According to a roster of I.(J)/LG 2 pilots and aircraft dated 20.3.40, this aircraft was assigned to Lt. Helmut Mertens of 2.(J)/LG 2, which is consistent with the markings of a 2 Staffel a/c. During the fall of 1940, after repair, it was flown by the Hptm. Josef Fözö, Gr. Kdr. of II./JG 51. Photos confirm this. I still consider the information as to date, place and pilot of this a/c unknown.

Regards

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Photo of Fözö´s W.Nr. 703 is in the "Das Jadgeschwader 51" page 94 by Stipdonk & Meyer.

Michal

Re: History of one Bf 109 E-4
 

I own Unteroffizier Friedrich Möller's Wehrpass and can say for sure that he was not assigned to the 2.(J)/LG 2 on 10.05.1940. At that time, Möller was a pilot of the 2./J.G. 77.

Barry

Re: History of one Bf 109 E-4
 

Gentlemen,

Surely the Black 12 of 2.(J)/LG2 is well-documented as a casualty on 12 May 1940 as follows ?

2.(J)/LG2 Messerschmitt Bf109E-3 (703) Damaged by AA fire from Wons during escort sortie for He111s of 2./KüGr.806 and belly-landed at ‘Lutke Penjum’ by the Burenlaan, south of Pingjum, Friesland. FF Lt Helmut Mertens unhurt. Aircraft Black 12 + 70% damaged.
This aircraft arrived at Erla Frontreparaturwerk Leipzig on 3 June where the damage was re-assessed as only 23 %. Following repair, it was assigned to II./JG 51.

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I believe this ex-eBay image is of this machine prior to the crash, there are a number of others taken afterwards: