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aastyer 4th April 2013 15:58

Richard Stramm
 
I am looking for any information I can find on Ofw Richard Stramm. His data is below:
Name: Richard Stramm

Born: September 9, 1914 in Urdenbach NRW
Went missing: January 1, 1943 in the area of Morosowskaja-Pitomnik/Russia
His ID Number: 67020/16
He was attached to: Einheit Stab III/Kampf-Geschwader 55
Rank: Oberfeldwebel

I have checked various sites on data for him. (Kracker, WW2 awards, aircrew remembered).

I am doing this research for a relative of mine. Richard was her father whom she never met. Thank you very much. hewas crew on HE 111s. I want to build a model of his plane with the proper markings.

John Beaman 4th April 2013 19:23

Re: Richard Stramm
 
possible:


He 111H, 7959, Stramme, Ofw. Richard, 9.KG 55, weiße BG1+BR 01-Jan-43, MIA with crew, cause unknown., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #8)-Vol.13,
(Pitomnik), 100%, FB Ofw. Werner Maier, Bf Ofw. Johann Kuban, Bm Ofw. Artur Stromschnittet & Bs Ofw. Alfred Kunyr

Matti Salonen 4th April 2013 19:56

Re: Richard Stramm
 
John is right, but GQM has some erronous info. The following should be correct (based on Namentliche Verlustmeldungen):
1943-01-01, Stab III/KG 55, He 111H-11, 7968, G1+DP, (Pitomnik), Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Stramm, Richard, vermißt
Kampfbeobachter Ofw Meier, Werner, vermißt
Bordfunker Ofw Roubal, Franz-Josef, vermißt
Bordmechaniker Ofw Strohschnitter, Arthur, vermißt
Bordschütze Ofw Kunik, Alfred, vermißt

Matti

steve sheridan 4th April 2013 20:03

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Hi aastyer, looking at Richard Stramm's id nbr or EKM No, suggests that he may have served previously with the 5/KG55 circa 1940, if so he must have been considerably experienced until his demise in 1943.
If anybody can clarify the EKM No. for this unit i would be grateful.

Best regs,
Steve.

Matti Salonen 4th April 2013 20:33

Re: Richard Stramm
 
MOB-Nummer 67020 was for 5./KG 55. 67020/1 - 67020/196 were allocated by this Staffel from March 1940 till May 1944. After that 67020/197 - 67020/199 were allocated by 5./KG (J) 55 in Jan 1945.

Matti

steve sheridan 4th April 2013 20:54

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Thank you Matti for confirming my thoughts on Stramm's previous unit.

Matti, could you confirm the following units by these MOB-Nummer's.

53911/
71032/
65113/
65119/

Any help would be most appreciated.

Steve.

Matti Salonen 4th April 2013 21:27

Re: Richard Stramm
 
53911 - 3.(Techn.)Komp./Fluglehrerschule Brandenburg-Briest
B Ia 71032 - Stabsstaffel KG 76
B65113 - 9./KG 51
B65119 - 4./KG 51

Matti

aastyer 4th April 2013 22:21

Thank you very much everyone! This is awesome. I will pass this on to my wife's cousin. I should do some research into 5./KG 55 for his earlier work in 1940. I know it is a stretch, but I hope to locate his Flugbuch. It sounds like I need to build a HE 111 H-11 with markings of G1+DP. I hope to find pictures of him and or his plane. Any recommendation on a paint scheme? Thank you lads! Vielen Dank! Kiitos!

Now I need to research his 5/KG 55 time.

Larry deZeng 5th April 2013 01:13

Re: Richard Stramm
 
III./KG 55
………..
25 Oct 42: transferred to Saki/Crimea to rest and refit and remained there, out of action, until 30 December.

Air Supply of Stalingrad and Operations in Eastern Ukraine. (Jan 43 - Apr 43)
30 Dec 42: again operational, transferred back to Morosovskaya to begin participating in the transport of supplies to Stalingrad and the evacuation of wounded on the return flights.
1 Jan 43: 2 He 111Hs (G1+DP,BR), the first from 8.Staffel and the latter from 9.Staffel, FTR from supply flights to Stalingrad-Pitomnik, 10 MIA.
2 Jan 43: evacuated Morosovskaya as Soviet forces approached and transferred to Novocherkassk/36 km NE of Rostov.
3 Jan 43: unserviceable He 111 blown up at Morosovskaya by the rear guard to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.
5 Jan 43: 7.St. He 111H crashed and burned while landing at Fp.Novocherkassk, 100%, 5 KIA.
…………

The book cited below has several personal recollections of the Gruppe's 30 Dec – 2 Jan stay at Morosovskaya that describe the scene, the cold, the fog, the misery and the rapid approach of the Russians. Unfortunately, there is nothing specific about the flight of Stramm and his He 111 to Pitomnik.

Dierich, Wolfgang. Kampfgeschwader 55 “Greif”: Eine Chronik aus Dokumenten und Berichten 1937-1945. Stuttgart: Motorbuch Verlag, 1975. ISBN: 3-87943-340-2. Hb. Dj. 501p. Illus. Maps. Dwgs. Appendices. Bibliography. Pages 284-86.

L.

steve sheridan 5th April 2013 19:25

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Matti, my thanks once again for the MOB-Nummers you provided.

Incidently i found that the Bordmechaniker Ofw Strohschnitter, Arthur, lost with Richard Stramm on 1.1.43 was another ex. 5/KG55 crew member from 1940, his Ekm. No was 67020/47 and not that far out from Stramm's 67020/16 which further confirms Richard Stramm's service with 5/KG55 during 1940!

Best regs,
Steve.

Matti Salonen 5th April 2013 21:10

Re: Richard Stramm
 
In fact also Franz-Josef Roubal was ex. 5./KG 55 member. It is possible, that those three have flown together since the beginning of WW 2.
A funny coincidence, that there was no seniority in the crew - every one was Ofw :-).

Matti

Jim P. 5th April 2013 22:33

Re: Richard Stramm
 
I have WNr. 7968 'G1+DP' lost on 1-Jan-43 with another crew (Ofw. Kurt Mallner). Were the crews perhaps reversed?

Matti Salonen 6th April 2013 06:03

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Again, based on NVM:
1943-01-01, 8./KG 55, He 111H-11, 7959, G1+BR, (Pitomnik), Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Wallner, Kurt, vermißt
Kampfbeobachter Fw Schuh, Hugo. vermißt
Bordfunker Uffz Bohnet, Adam, vermißt
Bordmechaniker Uffz Franz, Otto, vermißt
Bordschütze Ogfr Liebig, Herbert, vermißt

If you look at the GQM info, the crews were reversed. However, I have no means to prove, which is correct. So far I still consider NVM a little bit more reliable. Maybe someone else has a third source?

Matti

Brian Bines 6th April 2013 11:45

Re: Richard Stramm
 
The KG55 book agrees with Matti on names apart from some spelling differences on three surnames, and shows Wallner as 8th staffel, and Stramm as III/KG55 (GQM 9/KG55)however would not BR be from the 7th St. and DP would be a 6th St. aircraft (II/KG55 perhaps the P should be an R?) . As III/KG55 were on a refit and then committed to the airlift perhaps the most experienced crews were selected and any available aircraft allocated, hence possible wrong reporting on GQM,

Brian Bines

Jim P. 6th April 2013 16:56

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Based on what Matti reported, the crews were indeed reversed.

Matti, thank you for the clarification.

aastyer 6th April 2013 17:30

So which wing number (7959?) and aircraft markings (G1+BR?) do you think Stramm's plane had on 1 Jan 43? Also, is it possible to get access to the GQM and NVM sources? Thnak you, everyone for all of this data. Rose is very grateful. She wants to find out more about his time with 5./55 KG too.

Thank you everyone for all of this great information. I have passed this on to Richard's daughter. She was delighted to learn more about her father's flying career.

Thank you to everyone for the information. I passed it on to his daughter. She is very grateful too. I am sorry I took so long to reply.

aastyer 6th February 2014 15:24

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng (Post 164689)
III./KG 55
………..
25 Oct 42: transferred to Saki/Crimea to rest and refit and remained there, out of action, until 30 December.

Air Supply of Stalingrad and Operations in Eastern Ukraine. (Jan 43 - Apr 43)
30 Dec 42: again operational, transferred back to Morosovskaya to begin participating in the transport of supplies to Stalingrad and the evacuation of wounded on the return flights.
1 Jan 43: 2 He 111Hs (G1+DP,BR), the first from 8.Staffel and the latter from 9.Staffel, FTR from supply flights to Stalingrad-Pitomnik, 10 MIA.
2 Jan 43: evacuated Morosovskaya as Soviet forces approached and transferred to Novocherkassk/36 km NE of Rostov.
3 Jan 43: unserviceable He 111 blown up at Morosovskaya by the rear guard to prevent it from falling into enemy hands.
5 Jan 43: 7.St. He 111H crashed and burned while landing at Fp.Novocherkassk, 100%, 5 KIA.
…………

The book cited below has several personal recollections of the Gruppe's 30 Dec – 2 Jan stay at Morosovskaya that describe the scene, the cold, the fog, the misery and the rapid approach of the Russians. Unfortunately, there is nothing specific about the flight of Stramm and his He 111 to Pitomnik.

Dierich, Wolfgang. Kampfgeschwader 55 “Greif”: Eine Chronik aus Dokumenten und Berichten 1937-1945. Stuttgart: Motorbuch Verlag, 1975. ISBN: 3-87943-340-2. Hb. Dj. 501p. Illus. Maps. Dwgs. Appendices. Bibliography. Pages 284-86.

L.

Does anyone know if Deirich's KG 55 book has been translated from German into English?

aastyer 6th February 2014 16:22

Does anyone know if Dierich's "Kampfgeschwader 55 “Greif”: Eine Chronik aus Dokumenten und Berichten 1937-1945" has been translated into English. I have a German copy but only read a little German.

Can anyone tell what the NVM and GQM sources are? Are they available for research?

steve sheridan 6th November 2016 16:18

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matti Salonen (Post 164715)
In fact also Franz-Josef Roubal was ex. 5./KG 55 member. It is possible, that those three have flown together since the beginning of WW 2.
A funny coincidence, that there was no seniority in the crew - every one was Ofw :-).

Matti

Hi Matti, with regards Franz-Josef Roubal do you have his Ekm No. at hand.
I'm sorry I didn't pick this up at the time, but it is of interest now.
Best regs,
Steve.

Matti Salonen 6th November 2016 16:52

Re: Richard Stramm
 
67020/43

Matti

Nick Beale 6th November 2016 17:39

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aastyer (Post 179611)
Does anyone know if Dierich's "Kampfgeschwader 55 “Greif”: Eine Chronik aus Dokumenten und Berichten 1937-1945" has been translated into English. I have a German copy but only read a little German.

Can anyone tell what the NVM and GQM sources are? Are they available for research?

(a) I think it was German-only.

(b) NVM (= Namentliche Verlustmeldung) is a report on the loss of personnel. These are held at the Deutsche Dienststelle in Berlin but are protected by German privacy laws and open only to relatives. Some researchers do manage to overcome that restriction but I'm not clear how.

GQM are aircraft loss/damage reports to the General Quartermaster. The ones from 1944 are missing since the war but the rest are at the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv in Freiburg, or there are microfilm copies at the Imperial War Museum in London. Doubtless one of our American members can advise if there are copies in a US archive.

steve sheridan 6th November 2016 20:57

Re: Richard Stramm
 
Wonderful stuff Matti, thanks ever so much.
Kindest regs,
Steve.


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