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loiclemarchand 11th May 2013 17:38

Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
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Hello all,

I do have some difficulties to identify this crash landed Me-109, on the attached file, which the caption says was taken in Evreux, Normandie 1940-1941. So any idea about the Jagdgeschwader or any else are welcome.
Thanks in advance to any help.
Have a good week-end.
Loic

ouidjat 11th May 2013 19:00

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Hi Loic,

Thanks for this picture I didn't know I (we) can complete the StKz G?+EX to GA+EX (The letter A isn't visible on two former eBay pictures); that is an Arado built Bf 109 E-1, WNr. 3853 ... This pic, or another one - I don't know - was published in Jet&Prop 8/9 2008.
But .. No clue for the unit unfortunately. 5./JG ?
It is said (In Jet & Prop?)January 1940??? Very doubtful.

My best guess is JG 3.

Regards, Franck.

robert 11th May 2013 21:30

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
5./JG2 22.6.40

Regards

Robert

loiclemarchand 11th May 2013 22:17

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Thank you Robert and Franck,
Robert, have you got a pilot name or the werk nummer ?
Franck, is there any chance to show the two former eBay pics if you have preview ?
Again thanks to both of you
Regards
Loic

ouidjat 12th May 2013 08:40

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
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Originally Posted by robert (Post 166400)
5./JG2 22.6.40

Regards

Robert

Why JG 2?

robert 12th May 2013 10:33

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and why not?

Archéavion 12th May 2013 11:11

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Hello
Probably the Bf 109 E - 1 of the I. / JG 2.
Se crash landing due to pilot error. The unit is damaged to 30%.
Circle of friends.
Joel.

Bonjour,
Probablement le Bf 109 E-1 du I./JG 2.
Se crash à l'atterrissage suite à une erreur de pilotage. L'appareil est endommagé à 30%.
Amicalement.
Joël.

loiclemarchand 12th May 2013 11:49

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Many thanks Franck to post these two pictures, much appreciated. Thanks too Joël for your contribution, much appreciated.
Have a good Sunday
Regards
Loic

loiclemarchand 12th May 2013 11:50

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Yes it's of course the same aircraft as you said in your reply Franck, thanks again

Jim P. 12th May 2013 23:52

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
That longish II. Gruppe bar seems more indicative of II./JG 3 if I had to make a guess. Certainly not I./JG 2

ouidjat 13th May 2013 03:19

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
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Originally Posted by robert (Post 166426)
and why not?

Yes of course ...
Loss in Prien is not a clue so far.
And Evreux was in JG 3 range end of May, early June.

loiclemarchand 13th May 2013 11:41

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Ok Jim, yes it's seem to be more from JG3 as Franck said before. Thanks
Regards
Loic

robert 13th May 2013 12:35

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Hi Franck,

and how many photos you have seen of 5./JG2? One, two, three? I have a photo of 5./JG2 "black 6", which confirms the shape of the number.
So far no loss for II./JG3 at Evreux. Give us some facts Franks not assumptions.

Robert

ouidjat 13th May 2013 18:44

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robert (Post 166492)
and how many photos you have seen of 5./JG2? ...

Hi Robert,

None of course :D.!!!!

Come on Robert, you know perfectly that loss lists are far to be complete, that many need to be corrected some times and that a writing on back of a picture is to be taken with care too. (And if we take Jet & Prop caption - January - for good we have a problem!!!)

I just said my best guess is JG 3 for the same reason wrote by JimP.
Why you didn't interpellate Jim too and for the same reason??

Now, if you want it TO BE JG 2, it's up to you; but I'll stay with my guess WITHOUT writing JG 3 on my captions until further notice.

Best regards, Franck.

robert 13th May 2013 18:58

Re: Help to identify this crash landed Me-109 please
 
Basing on your opinion on loss list I see that further discussion with you will be pointless.


Regards

Robert


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