Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

866 IAP claim to have destroyed 5 Ju87 in a combat on this date at Kuguchay Station/Pavlivka in the Ukraine. Is there any confirmation of this?

regards

Keith

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

Keith, your date is a little confusing. I have no Ju-87 losses for 5-Apr-44 and only one on 4-May-44 and that was in Germany.

I suggest (and this is true for ALL members) that we post in the format of DD-MMM-YY. When you spell out the month, it leaves no room for misinterpretation.

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

AT LAST!!!! Thank you John!

Regards, Franck.

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

I suggest (and this is true for ALL members) that we post in the format of DD-MMM-YY. When you spell out the month, it leaves no room for misinterpretation.[/quote]

Very good idea !!!!!

Horst Weber

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

No! Do not submit yourself to the dark side!!

Please continue to use all possible date format variations, it possibly feeds thousands of IT consultant families - without the confusion that follow erronous implementations and the fact that most US software companies tend to remember that there is a world outside the US at about Service Pack 1 time, project development time would be significantly reduced...

Joke aside - good idea!

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

Blimey! It didn't occur to me. But now that you have raised it I understand. It may also explain why some sources have the dogfight of 04.05.1944 and others 05.04.1944! The answer however, in both cases is that there's no evidence of such an encounter taking place. The 866th seem to have been a little enthusiastic in their claims....

thanks chaps

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

Seconded!! Except for our military, we dopey Americans are the only ones who fail to write dates like the rest of the world does. And while we are at it, we should abandon the old English system of measurement and adopt the metric system like everyone else uses. Metric is mathematical logic; feet, yards, miles, quarts, pounds are illogical and regressive.

L.

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In my database I use date format according to the standard ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) due to its several benefits. If you wish to have a look at it, please go to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

If you gentlemen have no strong objectives, I will continue to use this format.

Matti

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

There should be no objections. It's still mathematically linear, going from large to small. DD/MM/YY is the same, going from small to large.

L.

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

I've been using the DD-MMM-YY format for years in my Access database. This is a parameter that can set in any Microsoft OS. Once set, as far as sorting by date, it works fine. I don't have to enter dates in the DD-MMM-YY format - a DD-MM-YY entry converts to the DD-MMM-YY in the actual displayed entry and you don't need to add leading zeroes. Stating the obvious - an entry of 6-6-43 will convert and display as 06-Jun-43.

So far, this date format has been recognizable by other MS OS machines where I've copied and opened my db set for a different date format and changes the date display correctly to that format.

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

Can this date format convention be added to the Rules, Guidelines and Tips thread in each Forum? I also note that the RGT thread is not present in every Forum; I think it should be in all of the Discussion Fora/Forums.

The main point is to avoid ambiguity. Dec 1, 1943 is just as good as 1 Dec 1943, or even 1 Dec 43. I would probably avoid 1 XII 43 just for ease of reading. If the PostWW2 Discussion ever gets into 21st century wars, it would be best to use yyyy. Similarly if the PreWW2 Discussion ever discusses 19th century balloon warfare. Use whatever date format you want when discussing Icarus.

Enjoy!

Frank.

Re: Ju87 massacre on 5/4/44?
 

Hi Frank, I think the convention there is "In the 23rd year of the reign of King Agamemnon."