Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Would you happen to have any information about Unit 11/NJG5 my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in that unit. The plane he was on on April 11th, 1944 was shot down and i was wondering if you had any info on that crash or pictures, or if you may have any information on the Unit he was in and or any pictures of he and the other men in his unit. the Pilot on the day of the crash was Karl Kades, not my Grandfather that day.
You may reach me or my Father which is Axel Otto Tillack"Camp" the son of Otto Karl Tillack via here or via our emails. Mine is: charlotterookswrites72@hotmail.com
and my Father`s is: alexrrcamp@gmail.com
Thank you in advance,
Char and Axel

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

I have an Otto Tillack, but with 8./JG 1, not a nightfighter unit.

Bf 109G-6 WNr.27023 of 8./JG 1, coded "schwarze 10"
Uffz. Otto Tillack KIA 30.Jan. 1944 near Zwolle in aerial combat with enemy fighters.

8. = Eighth Staffel, part of III Gruppe
JG 1 = Jagdgeschwader One, a dedicated home-defense unit, operational in daylight.

As to Kades, that one matches up:

Ju 88G-1 WNr.710458 of 11./NJG 5, perhaps still marked with its delivery code (Stammkennzeichen) BS+ZL
Pilot Ofw. Karl Kades KIA 11/April 1944 due to aerial combat during a transit flight. Bordfunker (radio operator) Ofw. Otto Tillack also KIA, Bordschütz (gunner) FSA (parachuted, name not recorded); location given as Weisswasser O/L. Jagen

GRM

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Grm,
thank you so much for all of the information that you have provided me with. Can you explain what the delivery code means etc?
How might i be able to find pictures of the plane or any pictures of my Grandfather back then in his unit etc.
Thanks, Char

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

A delivery code is the code used on the aircraft when it left the factory after which it would be assigned a code relevant to its assigned unit.
As to photos, you will be lucky to track down someone who was with 11/NJG 5 (and is still alive) and who took a photo and noted the names. However, as your Grandfather was an Oberfeldwebel, it is probable that he flew with other units which might increase your chances-you will need to contact WASt or Bundesarchiv for this information

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

710458 Ju 88 G-1 BS+ZL 11./NJG 5 (Luftwaffe)
Non-OPS (H) on ferry flight when downed by enemy fighter (100%) at Weisswasser O/L. Jagen at 12:00 hrs 11.04.1944 (F Ofw. Karl Kades and BF Ofw. Otto Tillack killed, BS Obfw. Gerhard Niesen <one crew uninj./baled out in Balss Nachtjagd, but Salonen says this person killed>) [Michael Balss “Deutsche Nachtjagd”; Matti Salonen WASTi/NVM]

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Hi,

in this book is written something about your father: http://www.flugbuecher.de/Flugplaetz...1935-1945.html

Good luck.

Julius

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This is what the aircraft would have looked like,
http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/121/Ju_88_G-1.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Germa...G-1/1963488/L/

This Ju-88 is 710430 (28 numbers off)
http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-88/Ju-...8-(G9+DS).html

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Julius, Yes, I have written to Jens and am getting the book soon and I can`t wait!!! Thank you soo much!!!
Char

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Thank you ED. You are so kind to forward the information onto me as well as others have. Oh how i wish i could find pictures of my Grandfather in his unit(s) to have more pictures than just the one that I currently have.

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Thank you REv16 you are very kind to send those along to me.
Char

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Just found out that my Grandmother was an Air Signals Assistant. Would there be any record of this anywhere?

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Good evening !

Sounds like "Luftnachrichten Helferin".

Good Luck !


Horst Weber

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Horst, Can you translate the first word for me lol I know the second word means help..... not sure of the first word
Char

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

German Air Force signals female auxiliary

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Good evening Chris !

Better: Air Defence signals female auxiliary

in German: Luftnachrichten-Helferin or "Blitzmädel" = "Lightning-Girl"

best wishes

Horst Weber

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

My definition came from the wartime lexicon of the Luftwaffe produced by the RAF

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Hi Chris,

don't care, it's the same !

best wishes !

Horst Weber

11th Staffell 11/NJG5
 

Does anyone know where i might be able to get a list of this Squadron?
I was also wondering since my Grandmother was ALSO in the Air Force in Germany where I might be able to find a list of people who served in the German Air Force Female Auxiliary. Air traffic signals. Guess they were known as the Lightning Girls.
Thanks in advance,
Char

Re: 11th Staffell 11/NJG5
 

Char
A list of what? Kills, losses, aircraft, personnel? Your Grandmother would be a different matter as lists of who would have served with her would be almost impossible to ascertain after 70 years
Regards
Chris

Re: 11th Staffell 11/NJG5
 

I believe Peter Spoden served with 6./NJG5 - but it would depend on the time frame. He's a member here...might be something, might be nothing. Just a thought really - thousands must have gone through NJG5 over the years though..

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Chris,
well there seems to be two(2) Otto Tillacks. Otto Karl Tillack is my Grandfather and was killed on April 11th, 1944 in WEiswasser O/L . The other Otto was killed in Bussloo Holland . We are trying to find out where MY Grandfather is buried....I can`t seem to find anything. My Father was there in Welzow Germany in 1999 and was led to a mass grave with no dates just names on it. There he found the name Otto Tillak...NOT Otto Tillack. So we are wondering if that is the other one and NOt my Grandfather....I should write another book I`m telling ya lol
Char

Re: 11th Staffell 11/NJG5
 

Maximowitz,
How would I coontact Peter?
Thank you,
Char

Re: 11th Staffell 11/NJG5
 

Peter Spoden has not been on this site for some time. In any case he was another Gruppe & Staffel so unlikely he would have known your Grandfather. As to where he is buried, German War Graves & WASt should be able to help-you have been given their links in another of your postings

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A mere idle thought I'm afraid. As Chris quite rightly posts above Peter served in a different Gruppe entirely - night fighter wings were vast contructs with a huge turnover of personnel, so the chance of him knowing your Grandfather is frankly astronomical.

It would be like me picking a name at random from your local phone book and asking if you knew the person.

As noted the German War Graves and WASt are the avenues for further research.

I wish you the best of luck with it.

Re: 11th Staffell 11/NJG5
 

Probably the only avenues this late in the game. The two parties concerned were both ORs (enlisted) and the only wartime information that survived for them is in the possession of WASt.

L.

Re: 11th Staffell 11/NJG5
 

Thank you Max and Larry and i have filed an application /request. My Father and i will await a response from the WASt and again thank you for any help you have given us so far.
Char

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Horst,
Thank you so very much to taking the time to help me ;)
Char

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

Dear all and especially Char(lotte),

according to the "Namentliche Verlustmeldung" (i.e. the loss report issued by the unit and sent to the German supreme command), the "next of kin" person named is:

Ehefrau
Charlotte Tillack
Plümkenau O/S

At this period of war (spring 1944) it was still good practice, that the burial took place at the home-town of the deceased, i.e. the living place of the closest relative - in this case where the wife (+child/children) lived. If not married, where the parents lived.
This ist true for all dead, who died inside the "Reich" (Germany in its frontiers 1937 + Ostmark/Österreich/Austria + Sudentengau + Westmark/Alsace-Lorraine) and until ~ October 1944.

So ... a good place to search for the grave is: Plümkenau O/S (O/S = Oberschlesien / Upper-Silesia) - since 1945 called
Radomierowice, Gmina Murów, Województwo opolskie, Polska/POLAND . (50° 55′ 49″ N, 18° 1′ 55″ E)

If the wife only temorarily lived in Plümkenau, and if the family home address (also named as last home address on the loss report) was:
Wierschutzin, Krs. Lauenburg, Pommern ... since 1945 Polen,
this is the second best place to search. Here the polish names: Wierschutzin=Wierzchucino, Lauenburg=Lębork, Pommern=pomorskie, Polska/POLAND . Or uses the geo-coordinates: 54° 47′ 15″ N, 18° 0′ 13″ E

Good luck !
Most Kind regards,
Uwe / Karlsruhe, Germany

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!
We have been tring to translate all of the German documents and are still trying to.....WOW!!!! The loss papers have alot of info on them and thank you SOOOO MUCH!!!!!
Char

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

I wonder if there would be a list of military gravesites in those areas for the Luftwaffe who were buried there? i know I`m asking alot of questions, but my Father and i are just trying to pin point where his Father/ my Grandfather is buried......
Char

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

This is your best bet:

http://www.volksbund.de/

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

"...Burial detail:
Ofw. Otto Tillack finds his last resting place in Welzow cemetery, Ofw. Karl Kades body is transferred to his hometown Bad Rappenau. ..."

Source and more:
http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety...135/index.html

Re: Looking for ANY and ALL information on Unit 11/NJG5 that my Grandfather Otto Karl Tillack was in.
 

another sighting https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/thread...1#post-1749249