BF 110 VK+KL wrecked
 

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VQ+KL?

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It's a 'G' variant.

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Wn 5338, hv to to with NJG6 in feb. 44

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6 2 44 1 NJG6 H Pruntrut b,Basel SCHWEIZ BA ver, BM BF110G-4/F 5338 VQ+KL


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QI forget to add the crew,

Achterberg günter ge,akt, bf kg zgk 10,märz 231223-Hamburg/wilhelmsburg-114
Lange bruno ltn,tr,o f kg zgk 10,märz 080524-Stettin-238


Ü,führ,fl,-19h10-zgk mit besatz,johnen 220544

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WNr. 5338 or 5538? I have the latter recorded in my DB.

Bf 110G-4, 5538, Langer, Ltn. Bruno, , I., 1., NJG 6, , VQ+KL, VQ+KL, , 06-Feb-44, Bauchlandung due to fuel shortage after F became disoriented. Crew interned., Apparently aircraft returned!! WNr. 5338, 'VK+KL' per Kock., Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.213; Kock, Das Kriegstagebuch des NJG6, p.42; Menke, SKZ list, , 1.5km nordwestlich Pruntrut bei Basel, Schweiz, 100%, H, Bf Gefr. Günter Achterberg, 19.10,

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On the NVM , some hand writing indicate clearly the 5338, from where comes your 5538 Jim ??
The STKZ compares favourably with known series for the 5338, for the 5538 no !

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I have 5 entries for Bf 110 WNr. 5338 and 5538. Obviously at least one of them is wrong and I need to sort them out. Oishh - looks like Koch was probably correct.

Bf 110G-4, 5338, n.n., , I., I., NJG 1, , , VQ+KL, , 01-Jul-43, Bauchlandung due to enemy fire., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.158, http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...recks-w18.html, Fl.Pl. Gilze-Rijen, 15%, F, , ,
Bf 110G-4, 5338, n.n., , I., 2., NJG 1, , , VQ+KL, , 23-Aug-43, Own Flak., , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.20; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.192, http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...recks-w18.html, Werneuchen, 40%, F, , ,
Bf 110G-4, 5538, n.n., , I., I., NJG 3, , , VQ+KL, , 24-Aug-43, Enemy fire., , Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.20; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.193; Menke, SKZ list, , Perleberg, 15%, F, , ,
Bf 110G-4, 5538, Schuster, Gefr. Walter, , I., 3., NJG 3, , , VQ+KL, , 28-Apr-44, Caught by searchlight at 7000m and attacked by enemy intruder. Crew FSA, F & Bs WIA., 27/28-Apr per Balss., Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.264; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.325; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.68; Menke, SKZ list, , Moers bei Krefeld, 100%, F, Bf Gefr. Richard Mrosik & Bs Ogefr. Karl Lüttmann, 02.30,
Bf 110G-4, 5538, Langer, Ltn. Bruno, , I., 1., NJG 6, , VQ+KL, VQ+KL, , 06-Feb-44, Bauchlandung due to fuel shortage due to disorientation. Crew interned., Apparently aircraft returned!! WNr. 5338, 'VK+KL' per Kock., Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.213; Kock, Das Kriegstagebuch des NJG6, p.42; Menke, SKZ list, , 1.5km nordwestlich Pruntrut bei Basel, Schweiz, 100%, H, Bf Gefr. Günter Achterberg, 19.10,

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Currently, Michael Balss is of the opinion this loss took place on the 27th of April (because of the date on the Namentliche Verlustmeldung attached).


This loss may relate to a claim of a 100 Group Mosquito of 239 Squadron which dispatched an 'Me 110' in the Essen area at 01:50 hrs (this claim is listed in the Nachtjagd Combat Archive 1944 part two).


The latter source mentioned credits "239 Squadron Mosquito DZ309 in the hands of F/Os Depper and Follis" with the kill but on the 28th of April at 02:07 hrs...


Now, I don't know which date exactly is correct. Who knows more?

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Hello Jim,

5338 is the correct Werkenummer, other Werkenummer/Stammkennzeichen combinations (for instance 5348/VQ+KV of 2./NJG 102) confirm that VQ+KL belonged to 5338.

Best regards, Marcel

[quote=Jim P.;168191]WNr. 5338 or 5538? I have the latter recorded in my DB.

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post 11# Die Flugzeugführer-Ausbildung der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1935-1945 Band II-Fliegerwaffenschulen und Ergänzungsgruppen of Sven Carlsen & Michael Meyer gives on page 297 WNr.5348 as VQ+KR

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Fellows—What follows is intended to clarify, simplify, and document the question of the "Bf 110 V K + K L Wrecked." Some of my comments may already have been noted.

• The photograph in the first posting on this thread carried the SKZ V Q + K L. It was a Bf 110G-4, WNr. 5338.

• The V Q + K L belly landed in Switzerland on 06.02.44 and was duly examined by Swiss authorities. The port side overall photograph noted above was presumably made after the landing in Switzerland. For this, see Ries, Deutsche Luftwaffe über der Schweiz 1939-1945, pp. 60-61 with photo exactly duplicating the image initially posted on this thread.

• Curiously enough, the Bf 110G-4 WNr. 5347 V Q + K U forced landed in Switzerland on 15.03.44. It carried the Tr.KZ 2 Z + O P of 6./NJG 6. One may refer to Ries, Deutsche Luftwaffe über der Schweiz 1939-1945, pp. 60-61 with photo.

RA

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Karl Ries lists 2Z+OP as WNr 5 5 4 7

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RolandF