Fate of " 1G+DK" from KG27
 

I know this is a long shot but I recently got a wonderful photo of a HE111 from KG27 with the following codes " 1G+DK" . The following markings are painted black , 1,G and K and the "D" appears to be in a lighter colour ( green) . I do not have a Werks number and I know these codes could be reissued due to losses but does anybody have any information on a HE111 with these codes , many thanks.

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schnellmeyer,

You probably have a photo of He111P-2, Poss W.Nr.5665, 1G+DK of 2./KG27. This was shot down (riddled with bullet holes) on May 10, 1940 at La Taillette near Notre-Dame D' Amour E of St-Amand-Les-Eaux France. Pilot was Oblt Gerhard Braunschweig, POW-WIA. I've got images of five different views of this a/c after it was shot down in our EoE DB, including on site, and later in French a salvage yard.

Our EoE Luft Loss DB: "Engaged by Hurricanes between Douai and Valenciennes during sortie to attack Hesdigneul and possibly that claimed by F/O Gore of No.607 Squadron. Also claimed by AA defences (216 Batt. 406 DCA). Belly-landed at ‘La Taillette’, near Notre-Dame-d’Amour, east of Saint-Amand-les-Eaux (France) 4.45 a.m. BF Uffz Hermann Glindemann killed. BM Fw Friedrich Honig baled out and captured wounded, FF Oberlt Gerhard Braunschweig captured wounded, and HB Uffz Philipp Nashan captured unhurt – all later released. Aircraft 1G+DK 100% write-off.”

If your photo is not this a/c, but it's replacement, or one prior to it being shot down, let me know, as this is most likely what you're talking about.

Regards,

Larry Hickey
EoE Project Coordinator

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Hi Larry , many thanks for your reply . My photo of " 1G+DK" shows it at a airfield with three Luftwaffe Officers and five Nco 's sitting on the grass and possibly map reading . I believe this plane served in 2./KG27 .
With this photo there was also some photos of " 1G+EK" shown in flight , this plane served in 2./KG27 and was later lost off the southwest coast of Ireland .

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How do you know it was THE one lost off Ireland? As you say there were many iterations of 1G+EK

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I got the photos from the family of Ofw. Toni Boehner who was on " 1G+EK" when it was lost off Ireland and these photos were taken shortly before the crash . Toni has also written on these photos showing his position on "1G+EK" , when I enlarged the photos you can clearly make him out out as the photos are of a very high quality , I guess this information is good enough to state that this HE11 is the one that was lost off the Irish coast . Just to add a little info , Toni's body was the only one recovered from this crash and he is now buried in the German Military Graveyard in Glencree , Co.Wicklow . His family will travel over from Germany later this year to visit his grave and pay their respects .
In total I have over thirty photos from Toni's wartime photo album .

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Presume you mean days/weeks before the loss?! Must have been one hell of a lens-presumably PK-photo?

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Yes , that is right Chris . The photos was taken only a few weeks before the loss of "1G+EK" . The photo was taken from another HE111 and from the angle I believe from the upper rear gunners position . Not sure if it was a PK photo but who ever took it did a super job . The photo will be published in our upcoming book .

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If I sound sceptical, it is with good reason, so perhaps you could examine that "super job" picture of the 1G+EK and maybe it shows a W.Nr. on the fin and possibly also identify the type of He111 ( ie the mark). Roche shows at least four 1G+EK listed of various types.It would be helpful.

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Tony , from the other material and photos I have from Toni Boehner's family I am pretty sure I have the right plane but like you rightly said I am not 100% sure . However , Toni has clearly marked some of the photos with arrows showing himself in the glass nose of the HE111 . It would be unlikely that he flew in two HE111 that bore the same codes ! I believe replacement codes were only issued after losses . Are there other photos out there showing HE111's with the codes 1G+EK ?

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You are "pretty sure" "I am not 100% sure" confusing?
Can you tell us the type of He111 (the 1G+EK) and is there a W.Nr visible on that great picture you say you have.If visible then we can be certain if it is the Heinkel lost off Ireland.

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Maybe we should try the website "confused.com" Tony !
The HE111 is a "H" model and you will just have to wait and see the photo in our book when it comes out this year . I am happy to use it and it come direct from Toni Boehner's family . We can only do our best when researching and it is not always possible to satisfy everybody with our findings .
I have other photos from Toni also that show other HE111 from KG27 .

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You are watching too many television adds!
Good, we now know it is a H model and all I ask is does it show the W.Nr. I did not ask nor expect you to post the picture that you wish to use. Phew its like pulling teeth

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You will just have to buy a copy of the book to find the answer Tony , ha ha .

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Hi schnellmeyer, i have an interest in KG27 1940-41, could you give any information regarding your forthcoming publication?

Best regs,
Steve.

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Hi Steve , nice to hear from you . During the period 1940/41 KG27 lost four He111 on or around Ireland . I was lucky enough to have had contact with some of these men and their families .
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about our book . But just to give you a small heads up it will cover the Luftwaffe losses around Ireland from 1940 to 1945 . Thanks for your interest in our book .

Re: Fate of " 1G+DK" from KG27
 

Thanks schnellmeyer, i shall look out for your book.
When is it likely to be published?

Best regs,
Steve.

Re: Fate of " 1G+DK" from KG27
 

All going well Steve it will be out at the end of this year , the text is all finished and the photos that will be used are now being sorted for the printers.

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More than four schnellmeyer, more than four!, back to the drawing board.

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Tony and Justin, I've been watching this and other treads the past few days and I have to comment that this constant snipping is extremely unbecoming for all parties, your better men than this display.

I don't know why and I don't really care to know what animosity there is between you but there are only a small few of us doing this in Ireland, can we act like grown ups.

I don't particularly want messages in my inbox with 'he did this, and he did that' nor do I want any form of message bollicking me out of it, anything you want to say, say it here in public.

Now, that's said!

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My posts were for clarification, instead I and this forum got smart ass answers.
Your comments are misdirected.

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Be cool, guys! No personal attacks.

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Dennis and John , I have no intention of lowering my standards by snipping at anybody on this forum . If others want to do this then I really dont care but I will keep my head up at all times .
Steve , Tony is right there were more than four planes from KG27 lost around Ireland but in our book we will be writing about the four we know most about and where we have photos of . We will not be going back to any drawing board , we have done our best while researching our book and while we may have not got all the facts and figures we have done our best .
Let the finished product be judged by the people who will buy the book.
Tony , in my last two topics I have put up on this forum you seemed to question my work , which is fine but if you are not happy with our work then maybe it's best if you do not reply as you seem to get uptight , just a suggestion .
We are all adults here so let's not let the side down as Dennis rightly stated .