IL-10 losses
 

Hi,
I´m looking for IL-10 losses during WWII.
Thx for help.
Julius :)

Re: IL-10 losses
 

There may not be any coze the first IL-10's were commited to action by April 15,1945 and have participated here and there in the final victory against Germany.The initial delivery
to VVS commenced in early March 1945 by Plant Nr 1 and 18 with some 780 aircraft many out which never reached the fronts due a wide variety of reasons.

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Hi,

on page 83 in book Luftwaffe over Czech territory 1945 (JaPo publ.) is notice about 2 Il-10 (and 2 Il-2) shot downed in Moravia on 5th May 1945 with photo of tail Il-10 "white 2" from 224th Attack Air division.

Faenor

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Julius,

5 VA, 264 ShAD, 809 ShAP IL-10, S/N: 1892405 (engine: 45951) was lost on June 6, 1945 at Brno, Cz. Pilot: 2Lt. Pnev

5 VA, 264 ShAD, 809 ShAP IL-10, S/N: 1891604 (engine: 45642) was lost on July 9, 1945 at Brno, Cz. Pilot: 1Lt. Kazimir Arkadevich Shaban (KIFA, 1922-1945)

17 VA, 306 ShAD, 995 ShAP IL-10, S/N: 1890405 (engine: 45581) was lost on October 3, 1945 in Rumania.

All I have.

Gabor

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Gabor

The IL-10 of 995 ShAP IL-10, S/N: 1890405 took off from Izmail, Ukraine
near Romanian border, and seems to have been lost during a training flight
to or from Romania. Do you have the pilot's name ?

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Unfortunately not. That time period was out of my research, I just needed the unit markings of certain regiments, eg. the 995. ShAP. Since in TsAMO archives beside this data, there was a nice wreck-photo, showing the tail markings of the 995th ShAP, I was happy finding the answer and I closed the case. That was all I needed, the markings.

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Received info from TsAMO: IL-10 No.1890405 was lost on October 3, 1945 in accident near Sânpetru, Rumania. Engine: No.45981. Crew was KIFA:

мл.л-т Поляков Петр Иванович (+) - pilot
с-т Наумов Н. А. (+) - gunner

Brief report:

"11:30 деревня Сынпетру, 7 км севернее г. Брашов, Румыния. Учебный плет, сорвался в штопор, упал на сарай в Сынпетру. С аэродрома Брашов."

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Yeah, crashed at Sinpetru near Brasov airfield penetrating real bad weather in close proximity to Carpatian mountains on November 3,1945 (not October ) losing orientation , though his home base was Izmail
and his Sqd may have been relocated to Brasov. Poliakov was with 12th SChAD originally from Kazahstan ( long way to go and short way to day)

Bolschoy Spasibah & Thanks Gabor !!!!

Re: IL-10 losses
 

No problem. I received October, not November. Who knows, since the OBD personal cards are full of mistakes/typos, because they were late-written summarizing pages of lost crews. The photos are nice, but these were not 995 ShAP planes. Cheers,

Gabor

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Gabor

You are absolutely right OBD is full of errors, but better than nothing. As into the book , yes agreed are not those of 995 ScHAP But I have
possibility to obtain from Russian Archives near St.Petersburg more stuff.

I am attaching this sheet, last on the list is Alimkin, shot down near Budapest Hero of Sovie Union , he was with 167 / 995 GvSchAP

The remains of the plane were never located.

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Attached also what it looks like an IL-2 of 995 ScHAP captured by the Hungarian Army
standing by probably the Hungarian pilot who brought the IL-2 down.

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Thank you very much! Sure, despite of the errors, OBD is still a great site for personnel info.

Алимкин Иван Николаевич гв.cт.л-т was lost in his IL-2, S/N: 1874488 (engine: 259498) with gunner Анисимов Михаил Васильевич гв.ряд onboard.
That time 17 VA, 10. GvShAD, 167. GvShAP lost three IL-2s: No.9867, 1871485 and 1874488. (Яковлев, Холин, Алимкин)

Cheers,

Gabor

Re: IL-10 losses
 

I think this photo shows a downed IL-2 on July 5, 1943, but this is not a 995 ShAP plane and somewhere I read this plane was downed by a German guy, but the plane crashed at the edge of a Hungarian airfield, - that's why the Hungarian guy beside it.

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Thanks for the feedback Gabor, if the year is 1943 then the shot is elsewhere but Hungaria,
by chance can you read his rank ?

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Hi,

18.4.1945 area of Cottbus 1 IL-10 108 GwSzAP damaged by Fw 190s (6 bullet holes and one 20-mm shell hole)
IL-10 no.1890492 108 GwSzAP damaged by German fighter (42 strikes)
and crash-landed on return.
IL-10 no.104082 108 GwSzAP damaged by flak
IL-10 no.1892807 108 GwSzAP damaged by fighters
30.4.1945 IL-10 no.1893802 108 GwSzAP shot down by flak
IL-10 no.103904 108 GwSzAP shot down by flak

Regards

Robert

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Thanks Robert, great info. Do you know the pilot names (eg. Gorodetski on April 30, 1945) to the proper plane serials, and if 1890492 was in fact 1890402, so just a typo? (Batch No.92 seems to be too high number, but IL-10 batch No.02 still would be OK...)

Thanks,

Gabor

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Gabor

I have few publications in Russian language
about IL-2 in WWII, I am almost sure no S/N's mentioned
which may enable to locate wrecks, though let me know
in any case what exactly you looking for .

Романов Виталий Иванович 95 GvScHAP ( do you any other info
on the acft other than OBD ) such as S/N or any details other than
OBD ?

was shot down 22.5.44 near Sarata

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Unfortunately not, for that unit and time period I have no AC records, only for the 5 and 17 VA losses between October, 1944 and May, 1945.

Re: IL-10 losses
 

That Hungarian pilot at the Il-2's tail is the youngest pilot of the Fw 189 equipped Hungarian 3/1. short range resonnaissance squadron. His rank is szakaszvezető (Unteroffizier). The aircraft was brought down by a German fighter, close to their base, Kharkov-Grobly (that 'somewhere' where this story appeared is my aces book, where I posted a different photo of the wreck with a different pilot). The photo was taken on the 5th of July, 1943 after the huge air battle over the city.

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Csaba

That becomes now more interesting....though I not get it 100% right , the above photo is also from
Belgorod /Kharkov Battle or is not related ? Can you post the whatever photo you may have
available with the wreck ? According my Russian sources the airfield is Kharkov Woitschenko airfield though
other sources indicated to me that may be Kharkov Rogan airfield.....secondly what Hungarian AF assets
where on that area in 1943 ?

Thanks in advance

Re: IL-10 losses
 

I have 6-8 different photos from this particular wreck from two members of that squadron and also a diary entry from a third one, who also visited the wreck and wrote many things about its condition and crew (the gunner was killed, the pilot was wounded quite seriously and was transferred to a field hospital - maybe he also died shortly after).
I don't know, what you don't get it with that photo: it was taken on the 5th of July, 1945 near Kharkov-Grobly and this Il-2 was shot down on the same day. (I forwarded that photo to a few person, maybe you get it through one of them later). You definitely don't have accurate sources of this photo's origin from Russia, since it was taken by Hungarians, not by Russians.
I assumed, that this Il-2 was shot down by a German fighter, since they claimed a very high number of Il-2 kills on that day and the Hungarians only a few (generally in such circumstances impossible to determine exactly, who shot down who). There were anti-aircraft artillery claims too against Il-2-s (including Hungarian ones).

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Yeah and alright, though you didn't really address my Q's , secondly you posted a wrong year ...was 1943 if already and not 1945 !

Re: IL-10 losses
 

I am enclosing the mentioned photo from my aces book, page 191. I did answer to most of your questions, related to the Il-2 except of the entirely off topic one about the Hungarian assets (since it is an Il-10 topic in the Allied subforum). And since you forgot to introduce and name yourself (I use my real name here), I don't know, why you expect from me to post unpublished photos here.

Re: IL-10 losses
 

Thanks for posting, though the photo is little related to your previous remarks
I was hopping you would post a better shot of the IL-2 posted by me above .

I didn't say u're obliged with something nor I expected anything ,was just a matter
of good will gesture . As into your reminder, pse. leave all this to my discretion.