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James Farrimond 10th October 2013 20:21

loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Evening

Anyone know what Ju88 V4+HT (9/KG1) was doing when she was shot down off Gt Yarmouth on 22nd January?

Regards

G.R.Morrison 11th October 2013 04:01

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Ju 88A-5 WNr.0578 of 9./KG 1, Pilot Ltn. Wolfgang Lademann, Observer Uffz. Emil Plasa, Radio operator Uffz. Gerhard Reber & Gunner Gefr. Emil Fink MIA 22.Jan. 1941, cause unknown, during a mission to Birmingham.

GRM

James Farrimond 11th October 2013 08:33

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Thank you

anyone else know of any other a/c lost or damaged off the Norfolk coast about that time? I am aware of 4D+LS that crashed in Somerton on 26th and another that crashed in Zandvoort on 25th

james

Chris Goss 11th October 2013 08:33

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Where is your source that it was shot down off Great Yarmouth? This would mean this ac was way off course

James Farrimond 11th October 2013 08:39

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Hi Chris

it was was vol. 2 of Winston Ramsey's book. I wonder if this ac didnt divert to check reports of a stranded merchantman off Cromer

Chris Goss 11th October 2013 10:42

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
The attack would have been at night and to divert that far out either to or from its base at Grevillers is unlikely. From what I remember Jack Foreman in his 1941 book gave another loss situation. I need to look at my Blitz book and the Luftflotte 3 reports which will confirm it but I am mid-way through a computer rebuild

James Farrimond 11th October 2013 11:09

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Ramsey gives time of loss at 15:00! Could it have been a single raider/weather recon?

Brian Bines 11th October 2013 13:10

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Luft.GQM returns just gives for V4+HT (Birmingham) as place and lost to unknown cause. Bader's combat report shows claimed at 1519hrs. 60-70 miles east of Yarmouth. In the combat report it says e/a jettisoned its bombs, returned fire and after several attacks went into straight into the sea and ''E/A Colour : Black and light blue underneath, very dark English type camoufage on top. Amazing similarity to long-nosed Blenheim untill black crosses were seen on underside of wings''. I could not find another Ju88 lost this date to fit Bader's claim,

Regards

Brian Bines

James Farrimond 11th October 2013 13:47

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Thanks Brian. Dont happen to have a copy of the combat report you could send me do you?

James

Brian Bines 11th October 2013 14:57

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
James, no problem PM me an e-mail address,

Brian Bines

Chris Goss 11th October 2013 17:12

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Right-have sorted it out. John Foreman in his 1941 book is wrong when he says that this ac was shot down by 91 Sqn at 1125 hrs. III/KG 1 carried out 3 attacks by daylight that day. First took off at 1057 hrs to attack Birmingham, 2nd at 1106 hrs to attack Leamington. Both got back. 2nd ac was probably the one that was attacked by 91 Sqn as he reported flying back over the Thames. At 1456, Lademann took off to attack an aluminum factory at Stechford. Nothing was heard from him after 1556 hrs when he stated was off Great Yarmouth. Ergo Bader shot down Lademann

James Farrimond 11th October 2013 17:47

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Chris

Well done. What are your sources if not Foreman?

James

Chris Goss 11th October 2013 18:01

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Luftwaffe records dated 23 Jan 41

James Farrimond 11th October 2013 18:32

Re: loss of Ju88 V4+HT Jan 1941
 
Thank you

Difficult to account for his being so far north


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