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can anyone shed any light on how far advanced the flying disc projects were by the wars end, Schriever, Habermohl, Miethe and Bellonzo . ive read conflicting stories on various websites and books, some say they were at a very advanced stage whilst others say they had barely begun, if at all.in david masters book german jet genesis there is an apparent quote by an RAF technical officer who stated they had found a new and deadly develpment in german air warfare.

any info would be of great help.thanks

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I don’t know exactly where to begin, but the answer is No! No real “flying disc” of extremely advanced design came out of the death throes of Nazi Germany. The Germans had areas of technology where they were the most advanced and others where they had fallen behind during the period from 1939-1945. The Germans, then, nor now, had any magic “foo-foo” that inherently gave them an entree to technological superiority. It basically comes down to how much resources in man material and money one has and how you spend it. Where the Germans concentrated their resources, they had generally good technology, but in very few areas were they as far ahead of GB and USA as Third Reichophiles would have you believe. In the areas where the allies were ahead, it was because they in general had more engineers, more development facilities and had focused their effort.

As to flying Discs. There was an extremely large and well organized Allied effort to evaluate and exploit the state-of-the-art in Nazi Germany immediately before and following capitulation. This was broad based, looking at every area from raw materials to finished products and every stage in between. Unlike many seem to think most of this material was not kept secret, at least here in the USA, and by 1946 most of it was available as public domain (even though it had been highly classified when held by the Nazis). Information on aerodynamics, structures, power plants and were and still are fairly readily accessible. The point is, after the initial period of interest immediately following the war, there was really very little interest in the subject for a period of 10 to 15 years ( I know, this was the time period when I began my research). I was so happy when in 1954, I found a single book that had as it’s subject, Luftwaffe aircraft (incidentally, it was published in Japan).
I am wandering from discs. As an aerodynamic configuration, they are well suited to Frisbees. The Canadians actually tried to build a full scale aircraft in this configuration, it was not very successful. There are actually a few aircraft in the West (and perhaps the East) that have seen very little light of day. Those that are interested enough can find some information and it seems that none are basically round. If there were any special aerodynamic characteristics of the flying disc that could be applied to aircraft applications, more people would have built and flown them. It all goes back to my original premise is that no nationality has any “magic” that automatically makes them technically superior. There is the occasional exceptional genius that sees things as no one else was able to before, but even these guys usually build on the efforts of their predecessor. Ten or fifteen years from now, when the massive focusing of resources now occurring in China bear fruit, people possibly will wonder at their technological prowess in the areas focused on.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

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As a long-time researcher, I usually find that the answer is often not no. J. Andreas Epp wrote a book, in German, about his wartime work with conventionally powered disc aircraft. The existence of Dr. Richard Miethe, long doubted by skeptics, was confirmed by former Secretary to the U.S. Air Force, Alexander Flax, on the television program Sightings. He did work for the Air Force.

The history of disc aircraft begins in the 1920s with a man named T. Townsend Brown. There are patents related to this work. There was also an exchange of technical information between Germany and the U.S. before the war. In fact, the Germans did improve on some technologies brought over from America.

After the war, American veterans wrote about their encounters with what were dubbed "foo fighters." I would take these eyewitness accounts at face value.

The A.V. Roe company in Canada was tasked by the Americans to build a disc aircraft. The Avrocar is the publicly known project, which fared poorly. Another project was being completed behind the scenes: the supersonic Project Y 2 (Air Technical Intelligence Center T55-2049). There are patents related to this aircraft.

So the Germans did develop conventionally powered disc aircraft during the war. I would remind everyone that the German ejection seat was kept secret for 15 years after the war. It was imperative that the Russians, and other potential enemies, did not know what we had.

If you are more than just curious about these aircraft, you should look up the following: "experimental ballistic electrode" and "asymmetric capacitor."

The disc aircraft were seen over the U.S. and Canada after the war. Their association with extraterrestrials instead of the military, coupled with a campaign of ridicule that continues to this day, ensured that people would be very reluctant to report them or be taken seriously if they did. Such objects have been seen by military pilots, sometimes in conjunction with trained ground observers and radar. Astronomers and other scientists, including Paul R. Hill (Langley Research Center, NACA and NASA), have also seen them. Mr. Hill also published a book titled Unconventional Flying Objects, where he shows that the objects seen follow, not defy, the laws of physics. The forward is written by Robert M. Wood (Aeronautical Engineer, 1953-1961, and R & D Manager for McDonnell Douglas, 1961 - 1993).



Regards,
Ed West

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You might also find the following site of interest:

http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk/abwat.../naziufo1.html

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I've read it. Believe me, if I had followed every utterance of "trust me, there's nothing to it," I would have stopped researching things a long time ago.

Dismissal is easy. It can be done by anyone. Research is difficult.



Ed

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Dear Ed,

I agree with Artie Bob. There were a plethora of off the wall projects in Germany. However, when it came down to execution, as Artie Bob said, there is nothing magical that can be done to create something, other than sweat and toil. The Me 262, which I have studied in great detail, was an advanced aircraft. But, in the end, it was a construct of primarily sheet metal, just formed into a unique shape utilizing nascent jet engine technology. The problems of developing it were handled with very straight forward engineering. It was anything but magical.

You have suggested that flying saucers have been developed in the U.S. and/or Canada over the last 60 years, potentially deriving some basis from German WW II developments. You also imply that these developments have been held as closely guarded secrets, lo these many years. Admittedly, stealth technology was held secret for a fair number of years. But, at some point in time, in order to actually apply it, the secret had to be let out of the bag. For, what good is an advanced technology, if you can't make use of it?

So, I submit that, given the potential of 60 years worth of development, the fact that the cat has never been let out of the bag, that we don't have squadrons of these wonder weapons in our arsenal, I am led to conclude that they don't exist or that their technological advance was found to be wanting and the concept discarded.

Working backwards, I thus also conclude that the Germans were likely playing with themselves on this idea, too. Further, if any effort was actually funded, it was likely of an extremely low priority with very little funding, indeed. Every crackpot idea seemed to catch the fancy of someone in the Reich government and, with their penchant for wonder weapons, almost nothing completely died on the vine.

As for our keeping the ejection seat a secret from the Russians for 15 years, Ed, get real! The He 162 was equipped with an ejection seat and the Russians certainly captured examples of that aircraft. If these guys could reproduce complete B-29's from the 3 examples that fell into their hands, they could easily develop the ejection seat. Note, that they also got their share of German engineers, too. The Russians are a pretty savvy lot, as witness Sputnik.

Regards,
Richard

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There is perhaps some intimation that my answer regarding German technology during the Third Reich may not be based upon research, which Mr. West intimates is very difficult.
As I am now approaching 70, my research concerning the relative state of the art actually began well over 50 years ago. Since that time, I have indeed performed a fair amount of research, most on my own time but also some paid for others. I do not find it particlarly difficult, but it does take time and effort and some knowledge of the subject matter to understand what one is looking at.
I have a somewhat unusual background, having degrees in both physics and history as well as being a registered professional engineer. I have also been a pilot for over 50 years having been fortunate to fly props, jets, gliders, helicopters, flying boats, etc. I also at times made my living doing research on what are known as WMDs, having been up close and personal with conventional, chemical and nuclear weapons. As to Luftwaffe related research, over the past 50 some years, I have been in several archives working both with original and microfilm copies of Luftwaffe related material from both sides. At a minimum, I have personally looked at 3 or 4 million pages of material. While I recognize this is not exhaustive (there is still a lot of material to look at) and I am just as prone to errors as the next person, my perspective as an aviation person, an engineer and a historian is hopefully not too bad.

Best regards

Artie Bob

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To ArtieBob:


Please note my reply was directed at John Beaman's post and link. I meant no disrespect for your work or to Richard Eger. My only point is that sometimes things are overlooked because people have been repeatedly told there's nothing there.

Recently, I ran across an obituary to John Lansdale (ALSOS) published on September 1, 2003 in the New York Times. It made reference to an interview that was published in the Times in 1995. And specifically in reference to a captured U-boat carrying uranium: "Mr. Lansdale said the material, originally intended for Japan's atomic program, instead ended up in the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

I would also recommend a look at the book, Dark Waters by Lee Vyborny, about a submarine designated NR-1. I mention this off topic item only because the government does know how to keep a secret.

However, in the case of disc aircraft, they were/are operational but kept a virtual secret by persistent, continuous ridicule for over 50 years. If you are curious, you can see the results of private experiments into what is referred to as electrogravitics. Just type "lifter technology" into google.


Regards,
Ed West

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Just a note, if my information is correct, one of the bombs dropped on Japan was in fact, a Plutonium bomb. If that is correct, it seems unlikely that both the bombs dropped would have contained Uranium captured from the Nazis. I am certain Mr. Lansdale may have believed what he said, but if you really understand very much about fissile material and criticality some of the details of the story may indicate that both he and those that have repeated his story may have limited knowledge in that area.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

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Reputedly there was a US disc winged aircraft build just after the war for USN. I do not remember the designation but after trials it was sadly scrapped. Please note the difference between the disc wing and the flying sauccer like Avro.

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Dear Franek,

if you are referring to the Vought V-173/ XF5U program, this was an entirely US program with no links to Luftwaffe technology. The XF5U protoype was preceeded not only by the V-173 full size proof of concept prototype, which first flew in 1942, but powered models before that. Charles H. Zimmerman was granted a patent on the concept in 1935 and the original proposal to the US Navy was made in 1939. The concept was not “bad “ or ridiculed, but the development cycle was sufficiently prolonged with collateral problems not related to the aerodynamic concept, that by the time it neared maturity, other technology had preempted the role for which it was intended.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

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Dear Ed,

Okay, I bit, and went to Google. I entered in "lifter technology" as you suggested. Apparently prominent in the field is a fellow named Tim Ventura. I went to the site recommended and viewed a video clip of a supposed device kept in the air by lifter technology. It was a small triangular skeletal structure giving the appearance that it was moving horizontally within a room. However, upon observing the background, it was clear that the camera was moving around the device, rather than the other way around, and the video was sufficiently small that any supporting wires could easily have been masked.

But, given the possibility that lifter technology is an actual possibility, which I would love to believe, the indication is that the structure must remain very light to lift at all, i.e., NASA's ion propulsion isn't going to produce a lot of thrust either.

So, the question is where is the heavy lift capability to make such technology actually useful? And, while I remain quite skeptical to your claim that ridicule of flying saucers has allowed a full blown program to remain secret for 50 years, why on earth would NASA not utilize such technology rather than constructing conventional rocket propelled craft with their huge fuel consumption?

I've been a member of the American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics, the premier technical society of the aerospace community, essentially since Sputnik - and interested in rocketry and space propulsion since childhood. I do think that advanced propulsion systems are going to be needed to be able to practically explore the solar system and beyond. In the propulsion meetings, papers on advanced propulsion concepts are presented, yet I'm not aware of anything that has gone into practical vehicle propulsion as of yet. The closest thing as far as I know was the successful flight testing of scramjet technology.

I find it rather curious that the professionals on the cutting edge of advance propulsion concepts would be completely kept in the dark for 50 years about saucers utilizing some breakthrough technology. Ed, it stretches credulity.

Regards,
Richard

As 6
 

Practically all Nazi flying saucers were made up in the 1960s. The 1970s German magazine Luftfahrt International even devoted an article to it, with the intention to break the myth. However there are still lots of people that believe in BMW Flügelrads and whatnot...

As far as I'm aware the only flying disc ever made in Germany during WW2 was the Arthur-Sack As 6 V1. A most peculiar aircraft. Thanks to its weak undecarriage it never managed to take off and everytime stranded halfway its take-off run.

More info: http://www.luft46.com/misc/sackas6.html

PS. I've made a 3D model of the As 6 V1 but unfortunately haven't been able to finish it yet: http://home.wanadoo.nl/r.j.o/skyraider/as6v1_1wip.htm

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Dear Richard,


I promise not to strain credulity any further.


Regards,
Ed West

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thanks guys so the answer is no they probably didnt have any advanced disc projects.

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For Ed West

When I was young (today I'm 47 years old) I was very interesting about UFO and of many books that I read I have keep only one "Intercettateli senza sparare" -intercept without shoot- written by Renato Vesco, Mursia editor 1968 Italy;
I don't believe about "nazi Ufo" or more widely about human origin but this book research in deep (for the time (1968!) from the german underground factories (also in Italy for the mass production of He 162 e V2) to foo-fighters until to finish in the canadian forest where the first allied post war UFO flew.

I think that exists also an english version.

Many greetings to all
Francesco Maria Lentini

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Thank you for your comments. I suggest the book Die realitat der Flugscheiben by J. Andreas Epp. The U.S. Air Force has a file about his research.

I have the English language edition of the book by Renato Vesco.



Regards,
Ed West

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Dear Ed, et al,

At last, I have found reference to lifter technology in a planned oral presentation at an American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics meeting:

42nd AIAA/ASME/SAE/ASEE Joint Propulsion Conference and Exhibit

"The Impulse to Explore-Igniting a Passion for Space"

Sacramento Convention Center, Sacramento, California, 9-12 July 2006

Tuesday Afternoon/11 July 2006

Session 91-NFF-5: Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Assessments

Chaired by: C. Taylor, Jupiter R&D, Houston, TX, and J. Hauser, HPCC-Space GmbH, Salzgitter, Germany

AIAA-Oral Presentation
An Assessment of Faster-Than-Light Spacetimes: Make or Break Issues
E. Davis, Inst. for Advanced Studies at Austin, Austin, TX

AIAA-Oral presentation
Null Tests of Breakthrough Energy Claims
S. Little, EarthTech International, Inc., Austin, TX

AIAA-Oral presentation
Experimental Findings of Lifters, Asymmetrical Capacitor Thrusters, and Similar Electrogravitic Devices
F. Canning, Simply Sparse Technologies, Morgantown, WV

AIAA-Oral Presentation
Experimental Results of the Woodward Effect on a µN Thrust Balance
M. Tajmar, Austrian Research Centers, Seibersdorf, Austria

AIAA-2006-4912
Breakthrough Physics Research at USAFA
T. Lawrence and K. Siegenthaler, U.S. Air Force Academy, USAF Academy, CO

AIAA-Oral Presentation
Responding to Mechanical Antigravity
M. Millis, NASA Glenn, Cleveland, OH; and N. Thomas, Univ. of Miami, Miami, FL

AIAA-Oral Presentation
Recent Theories on Fundamental Interaction and Possible Implications for Propulsion
O. Bertolami, Instituto Superior Técnico, Lisbon, Portugal

AIAA-Oral Presentation
Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Panel Discussion
- Moderated by Marc Millis, NASA Glenn Research Center

This is THE annual propulsion conference for the AIAA. I can't speak to the scientific basis of the talk that includes lifter technology, but at least there is a presentation on it in what is the most prestigious space propulsion conference of the year.

Thought you'd be interested to know about it.

Regards,
Richard

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Dear Richard,


Thank you very much for posting this. In the 1920s, Thomas Townsend Brown published an article titled "How I Control Gravity."

My theory is simple. In the not too distant past, high-tech weapons included catapults and then cannons. Infantry weapons were also rather primitive. Then oil and derived chemicals were discovered, followed by synthetic fibers, fertilizers, and patent medicines. The point is money is made from things that come out of the ground. And from "planned obsolescence." I don't want to buy a new car every 3-5 years but I know the engine is not good for much beyond that.

I was immediately reminded of the X-15 program when I learned of the success of Burt Rutan's SpaceShip One. Richard Branson has contracted with Scaled Composites to build several SpaceShip Twos and a spaceport in New Mexico is on the drawing board. And cryogenic fuel is not being used.

Gentlemen, I submit that technology like electrogravitics will "appear" in due course. The US government decided to take another look at "cold fusion." In my own research, I've seen documents stating that in 1947 the Americans were concerned that the flying discs were Russian, based on German technology.

I am not writing this to convince anyone, just to put my information and theory out there.


Regards,
Ed West



Here is a site that covers the topic of lifters: http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/story.htm

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I have a suggestion. If anyone really believes that Germany had developed flying saucers, then why not tackle the question through the wealth of genealogical research tools now available online and elsewhere?

Find out about the births, marriages, careers, military service, academic credentials and deaths of Schriever, Habermohl, Miethe and Bellonzo (if they are not just figures of myth) and contact surviving family members.

Hundreds of thousands of people are doing this daily with their own families. It takes work and persistence but it offers a real chance to get some solid real-world information on these people and what they were doing at given points in their lives.

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Dear Ed,

I checked the site you referenced. It looks like a lot of substantiation, although I'm not sure just yet how it actually works. It seems a long way off to create a useful lifting vehicle.

If the Germans had actually been far more advanced, then why did the work die off?

Regards,
Richard

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Dear Richard,


You are asking me to stretch credulity again, but since you did ask.

As the war drew to a close, there were two, secret disc aircraft projects working toward completion. One used conventional propulsion, the other, electrogravitic. The latter was controlled by the SS. The Allies had been sending commandos into Germany to destroy, disrupt and capture what they could. Communications lines were cut, radio traffic intercepted, etc. The underground factories producing the conventially powered aircraft were overun before their deployment. A few of the conventially powered machines were captured relatively intact. The electrogravitic discs were used to evacuate that project's scientists, engineers and SS personnel to a base in Antarctica.

American Intelligence was just as incredulous as some of you reading this are now, but soon became convinced. In December 1946, Admiral Byrd set sail with an armada of ships and 4,000 troops for Operation Highjump. This operation was supposedly undertaken to test military equipment in extreme conditions. I think they would have saved time by sailing north. This explanation does not appear credible to me.

The operation was supposed to last months but was cut short. Reports afterwards indicated they were attacked by German disc aircraft. I suggest you look at the books, German Jet Genesis and Brighter than a Thousand Suns for mention of German discs.

So the Americans had conventional disc aircraft plans and some of those who worked on them but no electrogravitic craft. T. Townsend Brown was employed by the Naval Research Laboratory to get that job done. Further reference:

Conquest of Gravity Aim Of Top Scientists in U.S. (Photo caption) Dr. Charles T. Dozier, left, senior research engineer and guided missiles expert of the Convair Division of General Dynamics Corp. conducting a research experiment toward control of gravity with Martin Kaplan, Convair Senior electronics engineer. And below that: Changes Far Beyond Atom Are the Prize, Revolution in Power, Air Transit Seen. New York Herald Tribune, Sunday, November 20, 1955.

If I was in the oil industry, that's a development I would not like to see. This program faded from view in the late 1950s as if it never existed.


Regards,
Ed

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Dear Ed,

You do realize, I hope, how bizarre some of your statements sound. For instance:

This is even crazier that the old chestnut that Hitler escaped to Brazil, Argentina, or Antarctica in a U-Boat.

To put this in perspective, while there were enough Jumo 004's available for all the Me 262's being built, the Germans, at the end of the war, lacked the transportation system to get the engines to the assembly facilities. Fuel and transport means were in extremely short supply. The infrastructure of Germany was in shambles. So, you are saying that, at the last minute, things could quite orderly be put in place to evacuate the entire project to Antarctica utilizing these antigravitic discs, which no one in Allied intelligence ever saw?

As for David Master's German Jet Genesis, David at least treats the subject with a degree of skepticism.

Your message implies a huge and ongoing coverup. If we need an example of super secret history, we only have to look as far as stealth aircraft technology. Sooner or later, for an aircraft to actually be able to be utilized, the wraps have to come off. We've seen it with the F-117. Sure, it was kept under cover for a long time. But, eventually, we got to see what the plane looked like. Logically, if the Germans had something functional and exceptional in terms of conventionally powered flying discs, that technology would have been followed up upon and, certainly, the wraps would have come off of the development ages ago. That never happened.

As for the electrogravitic lifter technology, it appears to be in a very immature state. Whether this could ever be tranformed into an actual heavy lift capability, only time will tell. Your proposition is that, not only did the Germans work on it, but they matured it into that very practical heavy lift capability in the midst of a war that was very much going south. Then, as a reason why we never were privy to the technology, you proffer the suggestion that the project, in toto, was flown to Antarctica, never ever to be heard from again. Rather convenient, don't you think?

At least we are in agreement that the Admiral Byrd thing sounds, well, less than plausible.

You can't prove your case by saying the evidence went south and disappeared. I could do the same, but it wouldn't be proof.

Ed, I fear that you are so taken with the subject that you may be building a house of cards, a half truth here, an inference there, and an innuendo transliterated into a fact. Go and get the hard evidence and, if it doesn't exist, then save face and back away.

As a comparative example, the story I hear was that Colin Powell wasn't at all happy with the evidence that he was being given to take to the U.N. to make the case for war with Iraq. He threw out much of it, asked for better, then went with the best he had, which wasn't that great. In the end, we know that none of the evidence was worth a damn. Powell is an honorable, but very cautious man. He also played the dutiful soldier, perhaps too much so. So, even with the vast resources of U.S. and British intelligence, we were duped. I believe you have far less at your disposal. Please be very careful.

Regards,
Richard

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Richard
Have not you heard about Dr Mengele's experiments that led to a new superhuman race? They had to have 5 feet and green skin to reduce target size and increase camouflage, four eyes to improve observation abilities and three fingers in each hand to reduce possible injuries. Dr Mengele dissapeared in the South as you know.

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Dear Richard,


I promise to refrain from putting up any more information here. I appreciate your concern, but, trust me, after doing research for 25 years based on assignments to locate all sorts of information, I'll be fine. I appreciate a healthy skepticism, but not asking questions or even looking at all, is not the answer.

Once again, should I find anything further, I will not be putting the information here. This is an ongoing project. I will not be disappointed if I find nothing further.


Best regards,
Ed

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Ed
A few years ago a book called Syndrom V-7 (V-7 Syndromme) has been published in Poland. I was never interested in flying sauccers and UFO but briefly looked through the book. It seems to me it is a detailed and well researched myth buster going to the roots of every false claim about German flying sauccers.
Of course the one may believe the King lives, but he should be not surprised what the other people think about it.

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Dear Ed,

At the risk of repeating myself, because of the fringe nature of the subject of your heart, I would caution you not to take much note of secondary material until you have, first hand, found the primary material upon which the claim might possibly be based.

For instance, you directed me to David Master's book. Did you take a look at Master's sources? Except for A.I.2(G) Report No. 2383, German Aircraft: New and Projected Types, all his sources noted are secondary. While he claims that he utilized far more sources than he lists, he also points out that the ones he lists are his most significant references. Total listed references: 8. Some were significant for their time, but have since been superceded. None is actually focused on the topic of German flying discs, but on German aircraft, in general. I probably would have a hard time with any of them coming up with a decent primary reference dealing with the flying discs.

As for the sole primary reference, A.I.2(g) Report No. 2383, a quick review of its table of contents doesn't reveal any coverage of German flying discs.

I can't urge you strongly enough to use as many primary references as possible and to not rely on the hearsay of books on such a topic. Then, with these, see if they can truly stand up to scrutiny.

Good luck.

Regards,
Richard

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Hi Ed

While you and Richard seem to know much about the subject, there must be many members who have a similar lack of knowledge as I, so do PLEASE keep your thoughts and ideas coming. Fascinating stuff, especially as no one knows the truth! A bit like religion - either you believe (as I do) or you don't!!

Cheers
Brian

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My memory is unclear, but in the late 70's, early 80's a work of fiction titled 'GENESIS' by G. W. Harbinson was released dealing with Foo fighters and predictions for the future. Much of it seemed far fetched, but confirms some of the info supplied by Ed West. The author quoted numerous sources for his info, however I no longer have a copy of the book.
From memory one of the projects bore the name 'Kugelblitz' and as with many German secret weapon projects of the time had been taken over by the SS. The author's description of events surrounding Admiral Byrd's expedition were quite different to the information on this site thus far.
Hope this has helped.
Regards Bulldog.

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The following is taken from: Report of Operation HIGHJUMP.


"1 JA plus 4 HO3S-1 and 2 HOS helicopters. Total naval and marine personnel participating was slightly in excess of 4700 officers and men.

"The short period available for planning and preparation required stenuous work on the part of all. Many of the ships were in an inactive status and all were below peace time complements. All aircraft required winterization and some alterations. Little time was available for the training and indoctrinatin of the hastily assembled crews of the ships and aircraft. Much specialized equipment had to be assembled and modified for the special conditions to be encountered, especially that for the base at Little America. The departure date of 2 December 1946 could not have been met except for the splendid cooperation of the various Bureaus and agencies of the Navy Department and of numerous commands afloat and ashore."

During the war, American planes were flying to bases in Iceland and Greenland, and ground personnel were stationed there. The urgency assigned to this operation is highly suspicious.



Ed

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Would it not therefore be possibly to establish which ships were involved, to find their logs in the relevant archive and to find what they are said to have been doiing at the relevant time? Also the names of senior officers may well be in the records and those people or their families could be located in many cases.

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I'm on it Nick.



Ed