eBay: Two Me 262 photos.
 

http://www.ebay.de/itm/100-orig-1945...item2ecafdc719

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Dusenjag...item485b413a29

Regards, Franck.

Re: eBay: Two Me 262 photos.
 

Franck,

Outstanding pictures...

Concerning the second one, I suspect the plane to be from KG51, as Weisse U, camouflage and whiite top of the fin could suggest.

Best regards,

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Ah Franck,

Good to have you back with fresh pics on our screens;-))

As for the first machine, one would think of a NAGr. 6 Me 262 A-1a/U3: after lighting up the pic, one can see the tell-tale Rb 30/50 bulges and criss-cross camouflage...

Cheers
Marc

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Maybe FE-4012?

Re: eBay: Two Me 262 photos.
 

Yes, maybe ..

As for NAGr. 6 Me 262 A-1a/U3, I agree 100%.

Re: eBay: Two Me 262 photos.
 

Any reason that it couldn't be from 1./NAGr. 1?

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Two new photos guys:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-VE...-/300988765799

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Org-Photo-VE...-/370918181186

I agree 100% with A-1a/U3
And only 50% with NAGr. 6 including the possibility it's FE-4012!
;)

Regards, Franck.

Re: eBay: Two Me 262 photos.
 

WNr 112685 9K+FH from JV44 Hofoldinger Forst at the Autobahn?

Re: eBay: Two Me 262 photos.
 

Franck,

According to Llv34_doc over on LEMB, those two shots depict Me 262 A-2a W.Nr. 111 685 "9K+FH" of 1./KG(J) 51, found abandoned on the edge of the Hofoldinger forest, along the Munich-Salzburg highway. Here are two other pics of this same machine, published in Jet & Prop 10/4, provided by Neil on 10 July 2010 in his excellent as ever blog:

http://falkeeins.blogspot.ch/2010/07...-prop-410.html

Cheers
Marc

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Yes Marc and Roland,

No doubt at all.

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Those jets have been already in the inventory of JV44 in the last days of WW2, no time being left to repaint them or even apply new markings. They were blown up by two well-placed handgrenades in both jet intakes when JV44 left for Salzburg-Maxglan and Innsbruck-Hötting. Ended its days at the Brunnthal scrapyard.

Re: eBay: Two Me 262 photos.
 

Danke Roland:-))

Marc

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Hi Nick and all,

In fact I'm pretty sure it's FE-4012, Weisse 25, from NAGr. 6, i.e. WNr. 500453.
We can (hardly) see the "25" with "2" not in line with "5".

Regards, Franck.

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Is there definite evidence that those reconnaissance and trainer aircraft with the outlined white numbers belonged to NAGr. 6 (or to any operational unit)?

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A look on p.85 in JaPo´s excellent "Messerschmitt Me 262 Production & Arado Ar 234 Final Operations" reveals the true identity of the Me 262A-1a/U3. The camo stripes are absolute identical to "White 27" WNr 500098, said to be from III./EJG 2 and captured by US troops at Lechfeld a/f.
The jet went into Colonel Watson´s "Whizzers" inventory as "666", nick-named "Joanne" resp "Cookie VII" and crossed the Atlantic on HMS Reaper.
It crashed on 19th August 1945 close to Pittsburg/US during a landing attempt, being piloted by Lt. Ken Holt (uninjured)
The unique camo pattern was applied by Flugzeugwerk Eger (FWE), now Cheb/CZ, which modified Augsburg- and Regensburg-manufactured jets to Aufklärer standard.

Regards

Roland

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@Nick:
This "identity" is given like that in the best forums ever TOCH and LEMB since years.... :)
Ask the author(s) please.

And like written by RollancF underneath: "The unique camo pattern was applied by Flugzeugwerk Eger (FWE), now Cheb/CZ, which modified Augsburg- and Regensburg-manufactured jets to Aufklärer standard"

@RolandF
"My" WNr500098 has natural metal skin around turbine outlet and inlet, not that one... So, I don't know.

Regards, Franck.

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I try to maintain a healthy scepticism.

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Right Nick,
I'm just surprised you're the only one - and first one as far I know - to have wrote such during the 6 years I've been reading posts.

And the "funniest" part of the story is that you can be right.

Regards, Franck.

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JaPo´s publication says on p.66: "NAG 6 most likely handed over the aircraft to III./EJG 2 at Lechfeld who used it to retrain pilots for jet aircraft. In March 1945 the reconnaissance units NAG 1 and NAG 6 received order to hand over 14 Me 262´s to III./EJG 2 (recorded on 31st March 1945). Ten days later on 10th April 1945, a document stated that 11 aircraft had already been handed over. These were presumably the photo-reconnaissance Me 262s mostly found at Lechfeld."
I just want to add "White 34" (same digit style) which had the camera nose exchanged with a fighter nose and was found at the Brunnthal scrapyard, too. This would significate imo that "Wh 34" did not belong to a recce unit any more.

Regards

Roland

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Kdo. Braunegg and NAG 6 did all their Me 262 conversion training at Lechfeld but left when they became operational. By 27 March 1945 the Stab, 1. and 2. Staffeln were at Vörden, Ahlhorn and Münster-Handorf. 1./NAG 1 had also converted in Lechfeld but was operational from Zerbst on 6 April with all its serviceable aircraft.

On 8 April 1945, Maj. Kröchel at Lechfeld advised Luftflotte Reich that "Re-equipping detachment Close Recce" was at present training 8 pilots of 1./NAG 1 on a SILBER [Me 262] borrowed from III./JG 2 [sic]. I doubt if they'd have to have borrowed an Me 262 from III./EJG 2 if there were aircraft of their own at Lechfeld.

The Americans arrived in Lechfeld on 27 April, as near as I can tell.

There are two articles about these Me 262 reconnaissance units on my website.