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Usual disclaimer,
Ed

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A correction to the above that, for some reason, does not work when I tried it there.




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Usual disclaimer,
Ed

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Excellent catch, Ed!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=151148065344
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=151148064918
Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 95 492 "Rote 2", 10./JG ?, Gifhorn, after 11 April 1945. It is thus a Györ built machine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300995834028
Ju 88 G-1 W.Nr. 710 179. Looks to me as one of the Hofoldinger Forst machines, seen in Brunnthal ?

Already discussed in Franck's thread:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370923940420
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=370923939910
Bf 109 G-8 W.Nr. 230 785 "Gelbe 11" +Y, 3.NAGr. 1, Fritzlar, April 1945.

Many thanks!
Marc

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Thanks very much Ed, indeed.

Marc? Rote 2 or Rote 20?

Thanks for the links and comments, both of you.

Regards, Franck.

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Marc and Franck, you're both welcome, and thank you for the additional information.






Best,
Ed

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It's interesting to note that plane wears a III. Gruppe Balken, same colour than number, both aren't outlined and no apparent JFV band.
For me, considering the octane triangle tone, it's Braune or Gelbe 20.

Regards, Franck.

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Yes and no. This is Ju 88 G-1 version but none of these were at Brunnthal after the war (only one C-6 and several G-6). BTW Number "710179" did no exist, The Ju 88 G-1 Serie machines started at 710401 (except the two prototypes), so this possibly be nearer 711xxx or 712xxx but not easy reading it. That car in front, damage to wingroot flap and fairing, and some camou detail indicate possibly 712373 3C+MR at Juvincourt (another eBay listing sold recently) but this one taken some time earlier.

Regards
-Ed

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Thanks edNorth for your precisions. Much appreciated.

So Juvincourt starts to be well documented with this latest series of pics. Good... We have also thanks to edwest a wealth of Gifhorn pics showing up. At last some new and important documentation allowing to recognize planes already seen and published elsewhere.

Cheers
Marc

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Hi Guys,

Found nothing for Gifhorn ... Braunschweig, maybe? Celle too, but starts to be far from there.

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Marc, Juvincourt is still not confirmed, I asked Merlin for confirmation on this but no answer (so speculative only) -Ed

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Franck,

By using Google, I noticed a TOCH thread started by Dénes, who asked for which training units did use Gifhorn airfield by April 1945:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=20782

So, thanks to ChristianK, we know that II./JG 105, II./JG 107 and I./JG 110 ended the war there. The airfield thus existed and was operational; this doesn't solve thought the unit from which "Rote 20" or "Gelbe 20" did come from, as none of the mentioned units did have a III Gruppe...

Cheers
Marc

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Ed, thanks for the caution. It is noted and appreciated.

Marc

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Hello Marc,

I got the same result; nothing exciting relationned with that III. Gruppe bar....
They forgot Stab, I. and II. JG 27 in their listing.

Regards, Franck.

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Hello Guys,

I think it's clear for everybody now ... :)
What about WNr.?

Regards, Franck.

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165480 ,,??

Rémi

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And not ..5 492!

Cheers
Marc

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What was your source for that idea, Marc?

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Don't know, just a guess. What do you think?

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Hallo David,

1. The size, position and readable numbers of the W.Nr. x5 (?) 492

2. Camouflage similarities with Györ built W.Nr. 95 182:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...57625419604175
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625419604175/

3. I acknowledge the intimate analogies between W.Nr. 165 480 "Gelbe 20" of an unknown III. Gruppe with the plane we're discussing now but cannot overcome the certainly differing last three digits of the latter (..492).

Cheers
Marc

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Due to last experience with the Ju52 SN+TN I dont hv much confidence in what I see...

Rémi

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Yes Remi!
I remember... :D

My problem here is Marc is right about similarities with "95182" but I have no range 95xxx at all !!!!! and none in 65xxx ... hence my choice.
I can't do better with what I have.

Regards, Franck.

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But I still read 5066 :o

BF109G95043BF109G95128BF109G95310BF109G95319BF109G-95440BF109G95446

All these ones found in Gotha, I think that these Numbers are the Györ Factory Wn .

Rémi

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Following the lists I hv seen the Györ production after the 91xxx serie, started at 95000, till 95139, nd restart at 95201 to end on the 95463

Rémi

So no 95182

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Merci Rémi,

Highly interesting those W.Nr's you're providing. I would love to see the source for it; are they published?

Cheers
Marc

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The books , made by Hung. author

Rémi

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Great, merci beaucoup!

Cordialement
Marc

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Ah! OK! Will check again with your eyes!! And will keep the list you provide in my "Pocket".

.... By the way ... Something to chew (same style, same position)

Regards, Franck.

PS: You're free to suggest a unit!