Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

I am trying to identify these 3 Luftwaffe Fliegerschulen related signatories from a collection of documents.

1. Oberst und Kommandeur Gross Kampffliegerschule 3, 30-April-1940.

2. Major und Stelv. Kommandeur Gross Kampffliegerschule 3, 05-July-1940.

3. Oberst und Kommandeur der Fliegerschulen und Fliegerersatzabteilung 11, 01-November-1938.

Any help whatsoever will be very much appreciated.

Regards Richard.

Re: Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

For Item 1, this link should help:

http://www.ww2.dk/air/schule/ks3.htm

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For Item 3, this name may help:

CRANZ, Friedrich (Fritz). (DOB: 03.01.90 in Memel).
01.07.38 appt Kdr. d. Fliegerschule FFS A/B 11 und der Fl.Ers.Abt. 11 (later Fl.Ausb.Rgt. 11). 01.01.39 promo to Gen.Maj.

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In Item 2, the name looks like "AWinckel", but I have no record of a Major A. Winckel.

Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

Larry

Thank you very much indeed for your help with this.

The identification of Friedrich Cranz is a very welcome input indeed.

With regards to the Gross Kampffliegerschule 3, unfortunatly http://www.ww2.dk/air/schule/ks3.htm does not list the Kommandeur over the period I am looking for.

Identifying the Stelv. Kommandeur is going to be very difficult I think.

Thanks for your help as always.

Regards Richard.

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Hello Larry,
may be this link will given little help.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...Gliederung.htm

Best regards
Manfred

Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

Manfred

Thanks for posting the link however, the information there is still missing the details of the Kommanduer for the period I am looking for.

Regards Richard.

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Hi Manfred,

Yes, the Lexikon site and the ww2.dk site almost always have the same information on Luftwaffenverbaende. In this case, Grosse Kampffliegerschule 3, the information comes from this outstanding source:

Carlsen, Sven and Michael Meyer. Die Flugzeugführer-Ausbildung der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1935-1945 [German Air Force Pilot Training 1935-1945]. Zweibrücken: VDM Heinz Nickel Verlag:
Band I: Von der Grundausbildung bis zur Blindflugschule [From Elementary Training to Instrument Flight School] (1998). ISBN: 3-925480-29-3. Hb (laminated cover). 496p. Profusely illus. (incl. color photos). Charts and tables.
Band II: Fliegerwaffenschulen und Ergänzungsgruppen [Aviation Combat Schools and Replacement Groups] (2000). ISBN: 3-925480-34-x. Hb (laminated cover). 576p. Profusely illus. (incl. color photos). Tables.

In Band II, page 362, it says Oberst Robert Krauss was Kdr. of Gr.KFS 3 Warschau-Okecie. He held that position from 01.10.40 to 30.04.41. Prior to 01.10.40, there was no Stab or II. Gruppe. Only I./Gr.KFS Warschau-Okecie existed and its Kdr. was Obstlt. Hans von Wussow. That's what it says in this very comprehensive source. Its immediate predecessor was Grosse Kampffliegerschule Lechfeld, which moved to Warschau-Okecie on 1 January 1940 and changed its name. No one seems to know who the Kdr. of Gr.KFS Lechfeld was either. It's a mystery, I guess.

Larry

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Hello Richard, I'm sorry for given nothing.
Larry, thanks for this additional information. Yes I have to understand that often one source and all use this in any ways.
By the way. My Father was, start in mid 1939 for one Year, member of Grosse Kampffliegerschule 3, staying at Lager Lechfeld.

Best Christmas
Manfred

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That's interesting, Manfred. It seems logical that the Stab disbanded on 31 Dec 39 and then was not re-established until Oberst Krauss was appointed on 1 Oct 40. But then, Richard has that document and it has a signature. Perhaps someone will be able to read the signature and identify the Oberst who signed the document.

L.

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Number 2 might be him:

VOWINKEL

Verbindungsfuhrers/Luftflottenkdo. 4 (to 31.12.42 †). 01.12.42 posthumous promo to Oberst.

Junker

Re: Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

Hi

Also believe the name is Vowinckel, but in documents I have seen spelled with a c.

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

Yep, with the assistance of Jorn's tip, I'll go with VOWINCKEL too.

Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories No. 2
 

Gents

Many thanks indeed for your help with this, to be honest as a Stelv. Kommandeur I was not overly confident the signatory would be identified.

Major Otto Vowinckel it is, and I am very grateful for your time and effort.

Just No. 1 to go and it is all 3 identified.

Regards Richard.

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Hello Richard,
for item 1 I would read the Name "Sommer" or "Somner".
Hope it will help.
Best regards
Manfred

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Thanks, Manfred. If SOMMER, then probably this officer:

SOMMER, Dr. Otto. (DOB: 22.10.91).
01.09.37 Oberst, appt Kdr. III./KG 157 (to 30.04.39), then Kdr.
III./KG 27 (to 30.06.39) and Kdt. Fl.H.Kdtr. Delmenhorst.
18.08.40 Oberst, KIA in a Do 17 Z-2 (F1+HT) of 9./KG 76 shot down by AA fire and crashed vic Sunny Croft, Golf Road, Kenley.

Right rank, right branch (Kampfflieger), and there is a probable assignment gap between 30.06.39 and 18.08.40. Odds are about 9 : 1 that this is right one.

L.

Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

Manfred & Larry

Thank you very much indeed for your help with this!

After trawling through all the Luftwaffe Officer named 'Sommer' on the Luftwaffe Officer Career Summaries, as you say Larry, surely this is indeed the right man:

Dr. Otto Sommer.

Thanks to all with their help with these signatures.

Regards Richard.

Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

I had forgototen about this document containing the final signatures from this grouping which are still to be identified:

Kampffliegerlehrgang 'Oldenburg' from 1938.

Any help at all on either the Major und Kompaniechef or the Oberstleutnant und Kommandeur will be very much appreciated.

Many thanks in advance and a happy festive season to all.

Regards Richard.

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Hello Richard,
hard.
The documend was issued for Werner Schwarz, Obergefreiter.
I know not your question.
The name of the Oberstleutnant looks like "Simon".
The Mayor like "Hiller"
I'm sorry for much fantasie.

Best regards
Manfred

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Probably Obstlt. Fitzmartin SIMON, but there is no apparent fit for a HILLER.

L.

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Larry,
yes I know very difficult for me all open.
The Oberstleutnant name can also be "Simer"
The Majors name can also be "Priller".
It's only to given a small side of an idea.

Best regards
Manfred

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Richard & Larry,
I'm not a specialist about to know any Luftwaffe Officers and there signatures.
I am write what I read nothing more.

Best regards

Manfred

Help with Fliegerschulen Signatories
 

Manfred & Larry

Thank you both very much indeed for your help with this.

It certainly could be Fitzmartin Simon as the signature does represent the surname very well indeed.

As always, your help is very well received.

Regards Richard.