Bf 109 740 xxx and 748 xxx production batch
 

Gentlemen,

While reading updates in Nick Beale Ghost Bomber site I found a Bf 109 G-6 WNr.740723 damaged on ground during the Nancy raid of 25-May-1944.
1/ With such high number I was astonished to find a Bf 109 G-6. Looking in Production batches I have … I found no 740 xxx whatsoever.
2/ In the mean time I have two others: 740001 and 740071 fished in lostaircraft.com site indicated as Bf 109 G-4s, BUT said “most probably Bf 110 G-4”! (sic)

SO! Do we have a Bf 109 740 xxx production batch or not???
Same question for 748 xxx since I have a Bf 109G-14/AS WNr.748 111.

Thanks in advance for any help/comments you will kindly provide.

BR, Franck.

Re: Bf 109 740 xxx and 748 xxx production batch
 

740723 should obviously be 440723.
740001 and 740071 are definitely Bf 110 G4.
So, no 740xxx production batch for Bf 109.

Also 748111 cannot be Bf 109 Werk.-Nr. Should obviously be 784111.

Matti

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@ Franck,

by checking the data base entry at lostaircraft.com You referred to, You may find under "Bemerkungen" a special notice that fits Your and Matti's doubtful remarks:

Crash landing.
Based on the Werknummer it should be a Me Bf 110 G-4 instead of a Me Bf 109 G-4.
(free translated)

Best Regards
Norbert

Re: Bf 109 740 xxx and 748 xxx production batch
 

@Matti Thank you.
@Norbert Thank you. I translated by "BUT said “most probably Bf 110 G-4" in my post #1.

Thanks pals! will never ask again! :)

Regards, Franck.

PS: I'm going to correct this bloody mess, right now!

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Matti may well be right but it was more common to confuse a "7" with a "1", due to the German style of handwriting where the "1" can have a long serif at the top. Most such mistakes seem to have originated at the German end when the message was written out for the cipher clerk to send.

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Hello,

You're certainly right due to your long experience in that field Nick.

Note that 140723 doesn't match with any batch; but if that so the error has been done twice; hence 140123, which is a true possibility, but all numbers I have in that batch are in 1943.

In the mean time
440 712/714/725 (the closest I found among a long list) were in III./JG 26 during the same period ...

I'm going to keep the original WNr. as in report, Matti's strong suggestion and yours.

Thanks again Nick.

BR, Franck.

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@ all,

if anyone is able to name the correct Werknummer in the data-sheet at lostaircraft.com we were talking about, please feel free to do so. Joining in there as a registered member is as easy as taking candy from a baby. There are also a lot of experts and enthusiasts registered - just like in this forum (with the exception of my person :)), and some guys from here are already active over there as well.

Best Regards
Norbert

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I had WNr. 740723 in my db as well, but I also had a FB entry for WNr. 440723 that should help confirm Matti's conclusion.

Bf 109G-6, 740723, ./., , III., 9., JG 26, weiße, 1 + |, , , 25-May-44, Bombenwurf., , FR, Beale, http://www.ghostbombers.com/miscellany/raid/raid_1.html, , Fl.Pl. Nancy, b, F, , 07.39~,

Bf 109G-6, 440723, KEMETHMÜLLER, Ofhr. Heinz, 89, III., 9., JG 26, weiße, 1 + |, , , 10-Apr-44, Transit flight to Etain on this date.., RK., FR, FB H. Kemethmüller, , Fl.Pl. Vendeville, -, H, , ,

Re: Bf 109 740 xxx and 748 xxx production batch
 

Thank you Jim.

Matti wrote "obviously"!..

Regards, Franck.

Re: Bf 109 740 xxx and 748 xxx production batch
 

The KEMETHMÜLLER FB entry kinda puts an amen to Matti's statement.

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Hello Jim,

I meant exactly that as understatement.
Start to be obvious when you brought the "amen"! But for Matti? No problem, it was already "obvious" :)
I liked that.

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Hmmm ... the W.Nr.440723 I have with an training flight in Neubiberg on 17.04.1944, the a/c from 10.04.1944 was the W.Nr.440662.

Best regards
Rasmussen

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If you can resolve this question, I'll correct my web site!

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And? Sorry but, and? ... "Allô?, non mais Allô quoi!"

What are the consequences of that on the "740723" transmitted by Nick's site?
Still Weisse 1 of 9./JG 26 during the same (even better) laps of time.

Did Jim got his references from a secondary source?
Did Rasmussen got his references from the same FB? (would be surprising to find TWO FBs)

This is what I call "the collateral damages of the sibilline team"!

At least, I prefer a wrong but clear and honest WNr. given by Nick than one "I know but I won't tell you".

Another Browny job!

Last: at least Rasmussen can you give us the other data concerning those two flights you're talking about? Thanks for your help.

Regards, Franck.

PS: In these conditions Nick is right saying "If you can resolve this question, I'll correct my web site!"

Re: Bf 109 740 xxx and 748 xxx production batch
 

What's your problem, ouidjat?

Of course it hadn't to do with an complete other time frame or such an thing. It was an little annotation to Jim's post, an question maybe because my source was the same: an copy of the Kemethmüller flightbook ... not more not less.

No reason for your pathetic answer.

Best regards
Rasmussen

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See attached - from the FB -

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Ahh ... damned. I slipped in my computer list one line from 10th to 11th. We have the same copy.

Best regards
Rasmussen

Re: Bf 109 740 xxx and 748 xxx production batch
 

Rasmussen, as you may have noticed, from time to time ouidjat/Franck likes to be a bit contrary. I don't have a problem with that - it keeps the rest of on our toes so to speak.

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It helps "to push"! :)
Result of that? You discovered your misread Ras.!

Thanks for the help gentlemen.

Regards, Franck.

PS: In the mean time, trying to download a file through Wetransfer in a Chinese hotel and writing comments in TOCH is an athletic business Gr....