What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint? I found the term in a number of FB as atype of flight. A literal Babelfish translation says it means briefing, but that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense in the context used.

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

Would it be familiarization?

Don

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

Do you mean Einweisung (ei not ie)? Einweisung means 'training'. Hence, Einweisung flug = training flight.

Bill Norman (www.billnorman.co.uk)

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

Einweisung in this context would most likely stand for familiarization or instruction. It can be used both for familiarization with a (new) type of a/c or with a new front sector or theatre of war, where the word would be Fronteinweisung.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Jochen Prien

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

Gents,

i would prefer to translate it as "basic instruction", which possibly may fit better.
Just an idea.

All the Best
Norbert

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Einweisung can be done on the ground by an instructor standing beside the cockpit e.g. Does this mean an Einweisungsflug can be done only in a two-seater or more? Or was Einweisung by radio possible or senseful?

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RolandF,

an "Einweisungsflug" (instruction flight) only was made in a minimum two-seater aircraft - instructor plus pilot student. I have never heard anything about instructions given per radio from ground to a totally newcomer, flying first time and unexperienced alone in an a/c, no matter which type of plane it concerns.

Greetings
Norbert

P.S.: The great exception was the Glider SG 38 and/or similar single-seater sailplanes. But those never had been equipped with a bord-radio.

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In todays aviation the term type-rating is a common word for
the theoretical and practical familiarisation with a new aircraft.
Stefan

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Thank you gentlemen. In this context it would appear that 'familiarization' or 'basic instruction' are the appropriate interpretations. Just as a frame of reference, in looking at the FB of Siegfried Conrad this morning, he recorded flights numbered #1 - #3 as Einweisung while with FFS (A/B) 2 after which he was assigned to FFS (A/B) 61 with flight #4 recorded as a Platzflug. He was in the second seat (Begleiter) in each of these flights. He didn't record any flights between February and November of 1942.

FW 44, , Fenner,, , , , Flzg.Führ.Sch. (A/B) 2, , PU+AR, PU+AR, , 27-Jan-42, FB entry. Einweisung. Took-off at 14.10., , Reich, FB S. Conrad, , Fl.Pl. Straßburg, -, H, Siegfried Conrad, 14.30,
Kl 35, , Fenner,, , , , Flzg.Führ.Sch. (A/B) 2, , PU+AK, PU+AK, , 12-Feb-42, FB entry. Einweisung. Took-off at 13.45., , Reich, FB S. Conrad, , Fl.Pl. Straßburg, -, H, Siegfried Conrad, 14.07,
FW 44, , Fenner,, , , , Flzg.Führ.Sch. (A/B) 2, , NM+AV, NM+AV, , 18-Feb-42, FB entry. Einweisung. Took-off at 15.50., , Reich, FB S. Conrad, , Fl.Pl. Straßburg, -, H, Siegfried Conrad, 16.15,
Bü 131D-2, 4282, Schmidt,, , , , Flzg.Führ.Sch. (A/B) 61, , CD+NT, CD+NT, , 27-Nov-42, FB entry. Platzflug. Took-off at 15.14., SKZ from FB., Deutschland, FB S. Conrad, , Fl.Pl. Canitz, -, H, Siegfried Conrad, 15.30, Bücker Flugzeugbau GmbH at Rangsdorf

Re: What does Einweisung mean from an aviation standpoint?
 

Hi Jim,

as pilot I do prefer "familiarization" for a simple and basic reason:
Some/many have dreamed to be pilot but as soon as they are in a cockpit they lose their habitual references and aren't able to overpass the situation.
Hence, this is the first step where the instructor decide if the newcomer is able, or not, to continue for "basic instruction".
Some decide to dismiss by themselves, too.

Really "familiarization" is not the start for basic instruction.

Regards, Franck.

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What I wanted to know was the difference between Einweisung and Einweisungsflug - not the same as we know now.
Just remember the famous Me 262 familiarization movie with "White 10" - quite clearly a Einweisung on the ground.
An Einweisungsflug with a trainer beside you or on the rear seat goes off quite different. Thx for the clarification.
Btw, "Platzflug" seems to be a short flight around the airfield only accompanied by the instrucor, but otherwise a rather independent flying without interference by the Fluglehrer.

Regards

Roland

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Still from a pilot point of view, if "Einweisung" is written on the flightlog it's necessarily an "Einweisungflug".
More, and this did surprised me reading some Lw flightlogs, it's obvious that time flight is counted only when the aircraft is in the air.
So, an einweisung "on ground" isn't registered on it.

As for Platzflug, either with instructor or in solo, when the flight occurs around the base/field (touch and go, maneuver in the field vicinity ...) .. No, navigation; hence Platzflug .
Vol local in French, and local flight in English.

Regards, Franck.

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@ Franck,

Why? As far as i can say it is still common - even for civilian flight training - in Germany. A flight book only is used as a personal certificate for gathered flight experience. For my eyes this makes sence as one really doesn't fly whilst sitting in an aircraft on the ground.
In my flight book as a glider student of 1979 there i've never had noticed any lessons i was attended on the ground.

Cheers
Norbert

P.S.: I would like to see Your entries in Your personal flight-log as a pilot to make out the difference...

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Norbert,

In France we start the flight when we start the engine and we stop it when, back on parking, we stop the engine.
We don't use to count a flight when Rolling the plane from parking back to hangar ... And the contrary early in the morning ... I liked to do that when Young pupil.

Since I'm in China I can't send you my log which is in Italy if you want to check I'm really a pilot.
Did I say that one makes a flight "whilst sitting in an aircraft on the ground" or is it just an effect of "German heavy humour"?

To come back on what I effectively wrote concerning some LW flight logs I read, space's so short between two flights I wonder how the guy was able to finish his landing, close his flight and to come back to his starting point for another, different, flight.

Hence, when doing that - in France - the time passed on roll - engine on - was counted as "a flight". Which doesn't seem to be the case.

Clear? Got it?

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JimP asked for the meaning of Einweisung and - as i understand it - also Einweisungsflug. Both terms have different meanings in German language and concerning flight practise in WWII. I think we Germans tried to explain this. At least I tried to do so.

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…
And since a little picture is better than an endless discussion
…
Here under is an extract of Stadler’s log book starting with “Einweisung” which obviously were made in flight!!! 31, 28 and 24 minutes each!!
That is, exactly what I wrote in previous post answering to Roland (and Jim by the way) … on other flight logs we find “Einweinsungflug” for the same purpose.

And continuing by “Schulflug” – starting of his real instruction – where, as described upper, one flight finished at 15:07, the following starting at 15:08 etc …

Note, by the way, that one took the time to write the beginning and the end of each flight, in 1 minute while coming back to starting point (I suppose since the flight ended) .. I never been able to do while teached in a Piper J3 whose rolling distance was equivalent to the one of a Kl25, if not shorter, and which was a “classic three points” either…

Another solution is the following:
The plane did land and stopped, then retook flight since there was enough length left to take-off again. But did he stopped the engine and restart it? I doubt … And if he didn’t, then the flight “wasn’t counted” while the plane was on ground, but still engine running – back to my previous post.
(Note: If the engine was stopped … how was it restarted … on a Kl 25, in this example?)

Of course, it’s not the only log book on which this can be read.

So, as a pilot, instead of trying to kid with condescension about something I didn’t say and I didn’t even suppose, just try to give me a smart explanation.