Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

Hi,
I came across this german loss, on March 27, 1944, near Auneau, France (28700)

"Fw. Guttmann, Gerhard, born 29.01.1921 in Neuscholle. Block 1 Reihe 14A Grab 568. Kriegsgräberstätte in Solers. Shot down by a P-47. Crashed in Auneau, Eure-et-Loir. 8./JG 26.

This could be a very good candidate for my crash site, can anyone give me more info, type of plane he was in, other reports, etc?

Regards,
Fabrizio

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

8./JG 26 was part of III. Gruppe (JG 26). At the date of your crash, they were based at Etain, France (this is near Verdun and seems along way from your crash site). At the time in March 1944, I believe they were equipped with the Bf 109G-6. If it was a P-47 that shot him down, the likely candidate(s) are 8th or 9th USAAF.

P.S. I did a Google of "Gerhard Guttmann". A Uffz. Gerhard Guttmann of JG 26 is recorded with 10 air victories. In January 1944, he was flying a Fw 190, possibly an A-6?.

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

Thank you for the answer,

I know Verdun might seem too far away, but the crash report says crash in Auneau, wich is 5/6 km from the site, and first important city around.
Interesting too, the fact that they might be equipped with G6, because that's also the most probable model of the wreck I'm recovering ( based on engine parts, serials, ammunition found)

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

From the same source, the P47s crashed in the same area on the same day were:

#42-75213. P-47D. 56th FG/62th FS. Lt. James E. Fields. Crashed near Ecrosnes.
#42-76249. P-47D. 56th FG/63th FS. Maj. Gerald W. Johnson. (POW). Hit by flak.

#42-8487. 56th FG/63th FS. Major Walker M. Mahurin. Crashed @ Pouvray, France (S of Chartres). (EVD).

#42-75091. P-47D-10. 359th FG/370th FS. 2nd Lt. John E. Kerns. Shot by Bf 109. (KIA). Crashed near Chartres.

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

http://www.amazon.fr/The-Jg-War-Diar.../dp/1898697868
p.235
27-03-44; Fw. Guttman, Gerhard; KIA; 5(./JG26); Fw 190A-7 643708 wh 11; Chartres; P-47 359 FG;

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

Thank you very much udf_00, that "kills" this hypothesis.

But also brings up the fact that there's possibly a rare 190 A7 wreck just around my house, that would be a nice next step!
Any other informations about the crash circumstances are very welcome!

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

Why is it a rare 190 A7 wreck?

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

Maybe I'm wrong, but according to the french Wiki, only 400 A-7 were made.

Compared to the 24000 Gustavs, I think that makes it "rare"?

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

The place where Guttmann was found was 1.2 km west. from Auneau without chute !, the plane was 1.5 km west. from Auneau

EM of Guttmann was 68454/225 29.jAN.1921 Neuscholle Oels

Rémi

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

I have him as Gerhard Güttmann, i.e. Guettmann.

Regards

Roland

Re: Fw. Gerhard Guttman, JG26, shot down 27 march 44
 

From german papers he is Guttmann benamed !

He was late to start that day due to motor problems, try to join is group above Chartres, but seems he just found US Fighters there, who slaugthered him !

Rémi