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Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hi there Franck! Glad you pick up again your good old habits to boost our interests ;-)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-Pilot-ME...item35d36cce96 Pic no 10 is a real head scratcher: labelled as being a JG 52 plane shot in France, 1944. It actually shows the pilots of 2./JG 11 atop of one of the Stab /JG 11 Bf 109 G-6's in Husum, early 1944. The third from left is Uffz. Siegfried Rudschinat. Information courtesy of Gorm Helge Grønli Rudschinat, Bf-109 Messerschmitt Group, Facebook.com, 14 March 2014. Cheers Marc |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hi Marc,
Thank you for this precious info! All the best, Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
You're most welcome Franck!
With an important correction though: Gorm Rudschinat informed us that this pic is actually showing all the pilots of 10./JG 11 at Aalborg Ost, early 1944. First one, holding the dog is Oblt Heinz Grosser, Staka 10./JG 11. Cheers Marc |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Ah ...
Alois Jakob (Fw.) the owner of the photoalbum from which this picture is extracted was effectively in 10./JG 11. Better like this... Are we reading "Bruder", wrote on picture? And you can wisely compare with the following photo: http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=7402 (Background constructions). Regards, Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Yep, I did so Franck, for the buildings and for seeing Rudschinat at close quarters. Do you know more about Alois Jakob ? I checked out Prien but did not find him... And we do read Brüder, with Umlaut... though I wondered if we should read Bründler.
Cheers Marc |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Nothing more than what is written in the Kracker list:
i.e: Fw 190A-8 Werk # 731034 "Blue 2" (dam 4/5/44) & WIA 5 April, 1944, during aerial combat with a P-47 in the Alencon area; DOW 22 July, 1944. One known victory, his 1st, a P-47 in the Alencon area on 5 July, 1944. ... I suppose that "Alençon" is linked to the seller "France" caption. And Bruder & Brüder are both family names, too... Didn't find any Bründler though. Cheers my friend. Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Thanks Franck!
Marc |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hello,
I'm particularly interested in knowing if anyone has any identifications for the Bf109E crash photos, especially "White 14" of I./JG3. I don't recall seeing other images of this incident in France during 1940. Regards, |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Yes Larry,
One of the reasons I did start this thread! "Rote 2" (Sic), a Bf 109F of 2./JG 3 could very well depict the Lt. Erich Buchholz accident at St Pol Brias on 16-May-1941. 95%. (Bf 109F-1 WNr. 5727) Regards, Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hi Gents,
- Any comments available for this Bf 109F-4 (or an Arado F-2 with the last engine) "P -" behind Galland? - What about the Dunkerque beached one? Looks like Wissant old eBay auction with all this team surrounding it... :) But different view... Or, it wasn't Wissant at all, however I think it's the same machine depicted here. - As for "Weisse 14", no clue but http://www.ebay.de/itm/JG-3-Messersc...item5afd4b15ed back does indicate 2 deads during this accident: "1 Flugzeug F(uhrer) and 1 ???. Tot." - I think I missed one JG 3 "Gelbe 7" crash picture in the list above. Let me check ... 16/ http://www.ebay.de/itm/JG-3-Messersc...item5afd4b142c Same thing; on Picture's back ... Uffz. ??? Regards, Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
@ Franck,
as far as i could decipher the writings: - weiße 14 abgestürzt. 1 Flugzeugf., 1 Funker tot - Beim Start überschlug sich Uffz. Gräf mit der gelben 7 weil mit Rückenwind... Best Regards Norbert |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hello Norbert,
there is an Uffz. Karl Gräf, I./JG 3, cited in JFV Teil.2 for an accident, 10%, on 21-Jan-1940 at Montekoven - most probably not that one. Then, 3./JG 3, cited in JFV Teil.2 & Teil.3.I for air victories only ... After 28/08 .. nothing. But: There is a Kurt Gräf, 3./JG 3, in the Kracker list. Victories for 21, 26 and 28/08/1940 are the same except Prien counts one on 21/02 than one on 14/05when Kracker counts two on 14/05/1940. Most probably the same guy but Kurt or Karl... And nothing about that Gelbe 7 Uberschlag! Thanks Norbert, I thought it was written "Gräf" but not very sure. Still, nothing about date, place and WNr. Grrr .... Best regards, Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Quote:
Bruder --- singular, Brüder --- plural Greetings Rasmussen |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hmmm ..
Grrr... I'm not able to use the "Umlaut" anymore since I started to look at Marc's Flickr page with "Adult content" from China!!! :) I got a bug and here is the result: Br¨¨uder!! I can use only the singular mode! Thanks Rasmussen for the lesson; however, both form are in the Kracker list (again?? Yes! I like this tool) as family names too. :) BR, Franck. PS: or maybe it's because of the coffee drops on my keyboard, last week |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
No ... I mean not an family name but "Bruder" as "brother".
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Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
- Any comments available for this Bf 109F-4 (or an Arado F-2 with the last engine) "P -" behind Galland?
See page 492 of JFV 5. Possibly the aircraft of Lt Peter Göring Don |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hi Guys,
@Rasmussen. Yep, I understood with a smiley. @Don: Thanks .. I haven't JVF 5! Gr... But thanks a lot anyway. ... ??? Seems that not only Umlaut is kidding with me on that computer ... So: Anybody to put a scan of that JFV 5, page 492? T.U for the help. Regards, Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Quote:
Don |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Its Bruder/Brother, in an other picture its written Bruder Alois near a Klemm Rémi |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Thank you Rémi.
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Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hello,
Items 1, 6 & 8 in this listing show the following a/c: "6 July 1940: 1./JG3 Messerschmitt Bf109E-1 (4051). Crashed on take-off from Grandvilliers (Airfield, France, at) 9.20 a.m. cause unknown. FF Uffz Hermann Marquardt killed. Aircraft 90% damaged - write-off." Because of the caption info, we now know that this was "White 14." Jochen Prien has provided this additional info, which is consistent with this caption: "the totally wrecked Emil said to have been "white 14" was the a/c of Uffz. Heinz Marquardt of 1./JG 3 who crashed to his death on a training flight on July 6th, 1940, at Grandvillers a/f. Debris of his a/c flying through the air after the impact killed Obgefr. Otto Freudenberg from the ground personal of I./JG 3." Five of these photos in this grouping were purchased for the "Eagles over Europe" photo data base. Regards. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hello,
Thank you very much Larry for the info!! Oh! N°1 Also!! Good! ... I see you are making serious research!! :) Tschüss, Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
6th July 40 is okay? I have 4th July...
Regards Roland |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Roland,
They were two separate losses during a period of training of new pilots at Grandvilliers. The KTB of I./JG3 and the VDK database both confirm that MARQUARDT died on 6 July 1940 while the earlier crash on 4 July 1940 involved no pilot casualty. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Hi Gents,
Thanks Roland to have raised this point. Thanks Peter to have given that info. Regards, Franck. |
Re: eBay: Bf 109s. 15/03/14
Thank you for the clarification!
Regards Roland |
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