What is this German aircraft?
 

From which German aircraft is this tailplane?

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Me262?

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Yes, it is a Me 262. Given the surrounding landscape, my bet would be one of the Salzburg machines, in Winter 1945-1946...

Cheers
Marc

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At Maxglan the Alps (Hochthron massif) are not so close to the a/f so I would think of Hötting, photographed towards the north (Karwendel massif). It seem this particular Me 262 (none of the plain green examples) has been shoved to some kind of terrace for examination. The rudder seems to be plain RLM 76.

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Roland

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Roland,

I'm not sure to follow you on this one.
Indeed I thought about Hötting, but I don't see this area full of constructions including a "house" with a chimney and that stone wall ...

Note that the WNr. ends with a "7" (... or 3 ?).

Regards, Franck.

PS: Not only I don't recognize these houses but the machine seems to be on an elevation, higher than the houses in background, bellow.
112712 had a green (dark at least) rudder and the WNr. of 113371 was written on fuselage Under the tailplane; I don't know a third bare metal machine at Hötting ... In the mean time I don't want to pretend to know all the machines on that place. :)

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If you darken the image some, you can see a "2" at the end, as well as a darker camo color.

Don

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I understand Don, but ...

I'm afraid that your "2" is just one of the small hatch effect, and, the "7" on 112712 is Under the swastika angle, not forward ..

Do I have to post one of the pic.?

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"712" with the dark rudder also had a plain black hakenkreuz (without white border)...

Don

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seems to be a lot of bullet holes...no?

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Ah, yes Don, right.
And yes, Harrisson .. Bullets holes :)

... and it seems that fin is camouflaged, isn't it?..

Can Airing be a possibility? If any Me 262 found in Airing..

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Hello Horst,

what is the source for this photo?

I first thought about Oberammergau where one Me 262 was found which was left outside during winter 1945/46, but that one was unpainted or just with primer on the tailplane.

Regards,
Roger

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It seems it doesn't look like the buildings in Oberammergau (now at the NATO School). I will compare as I will follow a course there in May.

Best regards

ClinA-78

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From this Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
where she says it is her father at Oberammergau

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Thank you very much Roger!
And thanks to you Horst for the pic!!

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Well, need to do a matching!

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and also next to a small tree so not on an airfield?

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@Clint; Yes, do it, if you have the right "tool" to do it, please ...
@Larry; most probably almost under cover in a tree bush ...

That's make me think about a photo I didn't know coming from the same source (Facebook) ...

Regards, Franck.

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Yes, it´s Oberammergau. With the Kofel peak in the background, i.e. photographed towards south - the Alps are rather close there. "Oberbayerische Forschungsanstalt" (codename for Mtt development at Conrad-von-Hötzendorf-Kaserne) - now NATO School Oberammergau still today is a terraced area.
http://www.herbert-thiess.de/Laber/

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Roland

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Hello,

It may look like the entrance to the mess(erschmitt :D), where there is a pavement. Photo taking is prohibited inside the NATO School but I will ask a special pass :Dbis.

I remember a rather known pic of one 262 on its tail, is this same aircraft? The famous picture of the P.1101 was taken in front of the baracks.
Unfortunately the Laber is now closed but I will have a look with my M/D for the quest of a lost nut there...

By the way, I will come back there for a P-51 too, that's another story.

ClinA-78

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The fuselage of Me 262A-1a WNr 170072 was found together with P.1101 at Oberammergau. The terraced area can be noticed here:
http://www.usarmygermany.com/Units/M...%20Det%201.htm
According to the reports I have linked, Oberammergau in 1943-45 was overcrowded with Messerschmitt personnel and forced labour workers so the barracks certainly haven´t been sufficient. Additional buildings may have been erected when an airfield was built (n.b. with an airstrip long enough for the Me 262!)

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Roland

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Notice the rings from a 55gal drum probably used to prop it back up

Don

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I am wondering where they had built that specific airstrip. The lowlands there are quite swampy and the higher grounds are sloping.

ClinA-78

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This Me 262 most likely is standing in front of building #627 of this plan:
http://herbert-thiess.de/Laber/AmerikanischerPlan.html
The building with porch and chimneys is #621
Look here for reference:
http://herbert-thiess.de/Laber/Luftaufnahme.html

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Roland