lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

HI all,

I have found following two entries at RAF Liberator Sqn page.(to give credit http://www.acseac.co.uk/pages/)
I am wondering whether anyone can confirm the crash sites location...
I am looking for one Lib that should crash on the way in between Miskolcz and Warszaw...on August 22, 1944...
Any ideas?
Thansk

Peter:)

EV839 178/31 SAAF/178 VI Missing (Warsaw) 22.8.44 AB ViewEW261 31 SAAF VI Missing (Miskolez) 22.8.44 AB

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

Hi,
How about KG938 of 178 Sqdn lost (Warsaw) on the 21/8/44
or EW229 of 34 SAAF lost (St Valentine) also on the 21st.
Good Hunting
Alex

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

The only Warsaw sorties on 21/22 and 22/23 August were flown by Poles.

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

The distance between Miskolc (Hungary) and Warsaw (Poland) is over 500 km. Quite a large area, I'd say.
I will look into this matter next week.

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

Hi
I have the following info
EV839 was not on 31,34 SAAF sqn strength so must have been 178 RAF sqn.
EW261 was shot down by Night Fighters on way to bomb Marshalling yards at Miskolc.It was from 31 SAAF Code Y and the crew was S African under Capt FC Serfontein.If you want all their names let me know.
If it was same date it must have been a whole 205 BG effort.
Stefaan

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

Thanks guys,

I would like to confirm whether EW 261 crashed at Miskolcz for sure...
And I would like to know crash site of EV839 if possible...
Thanks

Peter

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

Ello Peterka,

on that night Miskolc was a target, I have some remembrances about that bombing raid (and have losses as well, I'll check them)

Se ya,

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

Thanks, but the crash loction confirmation would be of help...I have one 4engine bomber crash listed south of Rimaszombat, SLovakia and cannot identify it...so maybe it is not 15AF plane but 205.BG RAF plane...

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

I'll check my available stuffz (altough regarding this particular attack, I have more info from the ground but I guess, I have some losses from that day as well).

And yes, on 22 August, 1944 not just the 15th AAF had Liberator losses, semms to me, that in early hours of 22 August, 1944 the 205th BG suffered some B-24 and/or Halifax losses as well.

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

The list of 205 Bomber Group losses (4 engined bombers) I have, although I am not 100% sure about serial for the a/c lost over Yugoslavia. I think I got it from escapee report which I lost somehow among my papers.

20/21-08-44 :: St Valentine :: No 178 :: KG938 :: LIA Austria

21/22-08-44 :: Szony :: No 178 :: EW239 :: LIA Yugoslavia
21/22-08-44: Szony :: No 614 :: JP228/P :: LIA Hungary

22/23-08-44 :: Miskolc :: No 31 SAAF :: LIA Hungary
22/23-08-44 :: Miskolc :: No 614 :: JP109/T :: LIA Hungary

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

Thanks Schenk,
Any closer identifications of crash sites than country?? The problem is that the crash site I know about is now in southern Slovakia, but was ruled and occupied during WWII by HUngarians as a part of Hungary.
thats why sometimes referring to HUngary may be souther today Slovakia what is of my interest...

Peter

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

Well, I checked my matrials regarding the 21/22 and 22/23 nights from August, but I have very limited info regading the crashed planes (I have more regading the effects of the raids, sorry)

Re: lost Lib on August 22, 1944
 

Hi,
Taken from a list that was sent to me a couple of years ago from I don't remember who( if you read this please remind me, thank you).

Re: Hungary

21/8/44
B24J-195-CO 44-41098 2Lt. Patrick J. Stone.

21/22/6/44
EV839(SNAKE) 42-64144 Red "J" F/O. J.W. MacDonald.

22/8/44
41-28816
42-50892
42-50920
42-50934
42-51300
42-52111
42-52344
42-52632
42-78145
42-78324
42-78445
44-41116
44-44160
44-10565

22/23/8/44
EW261 (44-10264) White "Y" Capt. F.C.SerFontein SAAF (pow)

All for now

Alex