RAF Mustang Victory credits List?
 

Is there a source detailing RAF victory credits for the Mustang?

Thank you in advance.

Bill Marshall

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Bill,
Nothing published as far as I know. What do you need? Specifics, or generalities? ETO? MTO? Nothing in the Far East.

Enjoy!

Frank.

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Hello Bill,
RAF Mustang Information is very scarce but I think that you will find most of what you require in this Book - One of very few covering RAF Mustang Squadrons.

"RAF Mustang & Thunderbolt Aces" by Andrew Thomas Published by Osprey Publications.
ISBN: 978-1-84603-979-9 - This should be readily Available around the £12-15.00 mark.
Look on Evil Bay if stuck :)

I am always looking for anything on 122 Squadron - Mustang III or even rarer MkIV.

All the Best - Keith.

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Keith
You might be interested to know that I have a copy of the unofficial 122 Sqn diary. No photos I am afraid

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Hello Chris,

That is very Interesting indeed! - Is it in Hard Copy or Electronic Format such as .pdf? - Would love to obtain a copy of this somehow? :)
I have been very lucky personally in so far as due to the wonderful Help from People on this Web-Site & the archives of RAAF Point Cook in obtaining the Log Book of W/O Gordon Watkins a dear Family Friend who was one of 6 Aussies from 122 Sqn repatriated back to Oz in late 1945.

Many thanks - Keith.

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Hello Chris,
Is there something in the unofficial 122 Sqn diary about P/O Thorne?
Thorne was killed at Velp near Arnhem, september 10, 1944.
Mustang IIIB
Regards
Karl Lusink
ARGA

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The diary is in 2 volume hard coppy.

Karl: for 10 Sep 44 it says:

At 0903 hrs Flt Lt Wright took off with Sqn on an armed recce in the Zwolle, Lingen, Munster, Arnhem area. Again considerable movement was seen and after a hectic 3/4 hour strafing, the bag came to 6 engines severely damaged, 2 damaged, 2 small engines blown up completely, 3 tugs severely damaged, 1 tug damaged, 2 MET destroyed, 5 probables & 7 damaged. Unfortunately P/O Thorne DFC has not returned from this operation and it is hoped he may have baled out and is already on his way back

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Karl,
Thorne's biography was written by Olive Floyd and published by the family, as Pilot Officer James Neale Thorne, RAF, DFC, 1919-1944. Numerous copies are available online. I use used.addall.com to start searching, and then check abebooks.com. (for some reason, addall.com doesn't seem to search abebooks.com very well).

Enjoy!

Frank.

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Frank - I am interested in the grand total to be found in some magic repository I suppose...I have ID'd the ETO and working on MTO now. I have always been skeptical regarding the many 'on-line' accounts for totals simply because I don't believe that the research regarding the arrivals and ops dates for all AAF squadrons are as accurate as yours when the 51 replaced P-47, Spit, etc.. My foundation for AAF/Mustang vc's start with your Aces High and weave through various squadron histories for audit purposes.

Looking at MACR's has also been a 'good' marker for the P-51 operations dates.

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Keith - thank you. I will look for it.

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I have the book "RAF Mustang & Thunderbolt Aces" by Andrew Thomas Published by Osprey Publications. If you need anything from it let me know.

Rick Peck

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Bill,
After reviewing my databases, I came up with the following:

ETO
Mustang I -- 35/5/15, Aug 19, 1942 to Aug 26, 1944, Sqns: 2, 168, 231, 268, 400, 414, 430, AFDU

Mustang Ia -- 5/1/6, June 29, 1943 to Jan 1, 1945, Sqns: 168, 170, 268, AFDU

Mustang II -- 0/0/3, June 18, 1944 to Feb 28, 1945, Sqns: 2, 268

Mustang III -- 244/18/111, April 19, 1944 to April 14, 1945, Sqns: 19, 64, 65, 118, 122, 126, 129, 165, 234, 306, 309, 315, 316, 122W, 133W
(delete 1/4 to a Mosquito VI, 2/3 to unknown sqn and a/c, 1/2 to Mustang IIIa)

Mustang IIIa -- 2/0/1, Feb 9, 1945 to Feb 16, 1945, Sqns: 65
(delete 1/2 to Mustang III)

Mustang IV -- 7/3/4, March 25, 1945 to April 16, 1945, Sqns: 65, 154, 442, 611, Hunsdon W

Mustang IVa -- 10/3/4, March 25, 1945 to April 16, 1945, Sqns: 65, 611

MTO
Mustang I --3/0/1, May 5, 1943 to June 7, 1943, Sqns: 14, 225

Mustang III -- 29/4/7, July 15, 1944 to Dec 26, 1944, Sqns: 112, 213, 249, 3 RAAF, 5 SAAF
(delete 1 to Beaufighter X, 1/3 dam to Mustang IVa)

Mustang IVa -- 2/0/2, Dec 26, 1944 to April 23, 1945, Sqns: 213, 3 RAAF
(delete 2/3 dam to Mustang III)

Not final, my entire RAF database needs to be reviewed.

Enjoy!

Frank.

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Thank you Herr Professor

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Frank - what was a Mustang IIa, IIIa and IVa ?

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Bill,
Mustang I had .50 and .30 cal mgs, the Mustang Ia had 4 20mm cannon.

I don't think there was a Mustang IIa.

Mustang III was the P-51B, and the Mustang IIIa was the P-51C.

Mustang IV was the P-51D, and the Mustang IVa was the P-51K.

Enjoy!

Frank.

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Thanks Frank - I was just picking up on your list categories and I had never heard of the IIa, IIIa and IVa but the distinctions make some sense. I wonder if the II and IIa were differentiated by engine modification?

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Bill,
There is no Mustang IIa as far as I know. Just the Mustang Ia, IIIa, and IVa.

Enjoy!

Frank.

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I'm not familiar with the Mustang IIIA. I agree that it would seem to be a sensible designation for the P-51C, but it isn't mentioned in sources such as Aircraft of the Royal Air Force or Fighter Squadrons of the RAF. They are simply referred to as Mk.IIIs.

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Graham,
As far as I can remember, I took the aircraft types from the squadron ORBs. Or possibly by double checking in Robertson's serial book. The Air Britain Serials list for HA-HZ does not appear to distinguish them.

Enjoy!

Frank.

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So they could be as official as the Spit Mk.IXB? That is, not at all, but a local terminology.

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The following is extracted from Terry Hancock's "Directory of Britain's Military Aircraft volume 1", pages 198-200:

Mustang I
Powered by 1,150 hp V1710-39
Total 620; 175 accidental and 154 hostile losses

Mustang IA
As the Mk I but four 20mm cannon in the wings
Total 91; 26 accidental and 27 hostile losses

Mustang II
As the Mk I but four 0.5in Brownings in the wings
Total 48; 7 accidental and 13 hostile losses

Mustang III (P-51B or C)
Powered by 1,315 hp V1650-3
Total 900; 256 accidental and 223 hostile losses

Mustang IV (P-51D)
Powered by 1,315 hp V1650-7
Total 278 but some not issued; 15 accidental losses

Mustang IVA (P-51K)
As the Mk IV but with a larger-diameter propeller
Total 591; 65 accidental and 30 hostile losses

Invader A-36A
Serials: HK944-947 (4), HK955-956 (2)
Total 6; 1 accidental and 2 hostile loss

Total Mustangs 2,534; in service 1942-47; 994 (39%) losses inc. 449 hostile

Regards,

Paul

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Hello

Not been on this forum for a long time but I have made a list of RAF Mustang claims some years ago by using the Sqn ORB etc & tried to match up the claims with known Luftwaffe and Italian losses.

Have had help from members of this forum re losses and used info from published books and the Luftwaffe loss list at the IWM London. Thinking of sharing this info with members of this forum to get more info and corrections.

Would any one have any objections with this ?
would there be any copy right issues ?
As I have put a lot of time into this would I get credit if this info was published ? how to protect it ?
Over to you for feedback !

Regards

David