8/10-1944
 

Gents
On 8/10-44 at 18:15 hours a German bomber believed to be a He 111 of 7.KG 3 took of on a mission. Apparently it was shot Down as a crew member was washed ashore in Denmark on 2/12-44.
The letter informing the Family about the loss was written by Leutnant and Staffelführer Horst Leutloff L 60097/Hamburg 1.
Is theer anyone who can support with information ?
Best regards
Soren Flensted

Re: 8/10-1944
 

1944-10-08, 7./KG 3, He 111 H-16, 161898, 5K+KR, Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Brender, Winfried, vermißt
Beobachter Uffz Kachold, Heinrich, +
Bordfunker Uffz Kuhlmann, Hans-Joachim, vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Kalff, Günter, vermißt
Bordschütze Uffz Weber, Ewald, +
Kachold am 1944-12-03 bei Römö/Dänemark angeschwemmt. Weber am 1944-12-01 bei Römö/Dänemark angeschwemmt.

Matti

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Hello Matti
Thank you very much.
Do you by chance know what the mission was ?
For your record: Both were laid to rest i Esbjerg Fovrfeld cemetery. Weber on 4/12 and Kachold on 7/12.

Re: 8/10-1944
 

V-1 mission against England.

Junker

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Thanks for additional info.

Matti

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Matti
Do you know where he took off from ?

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Sorry, I don't have other info.

Matti

Re: 8/10-1944
 

I thought by Oct 44, 7/KG 3 had become 1/KG 53 and had moved from Venlo to Varrelbusch? I know there was a grey period and if you want me to check further, I have the NVM at home

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Hello Soren,

I have the 7./KG 3 from 14.09.44 to 14.11.44 at Münster-Handorf, they became renamed 1./KG 53 on 20.10.44.

Re: 8/10-1944
 

I think the Gruppe was operating from Varrelbusch at the time. In its evening strength return on 9 October it reported 20 (7) aircraft and 49 (27) crews;
He 111 H-16 W.Nr. 161898 was missing.

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Hi
I have received a NVM and it states 7./KG 3

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Thank you for your assistance: http://www.flensted.eu.com/g1944157.shtml

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Hello,

Possible claimant for 7./KG 3 He 111 5K+KR, W.Nr 161898, here:

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...d=1#post100532

Any comments, Brian?

Col.

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Hi Col
You have the Mosquito taking off on the evening of October 7 ?
The He 111 took off on the evening of October 8.

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Hi Soren

l'm aware of that fact. That's why l asked if Brian Cull, one of the sources of my information, had any comments to make.

Col.

Re: 8/10-1944
 

The loss was definitely 8 Oct 44 and there are no claims that night. Travers of 25 Sqn damaged a He 111 at 1956 hrs the night before which could be 5K+LS of 8/KG 3 albeit the K Report gives no reason for its loss nor did Klaus Schulte when I corresponded with him!

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Quoting from a list in the booklet "Flying Bombs Over the Pennines" ( Manchester attack 24th. Dec.) this shows claims on V-1 launchers as follows :-
Night of 5/6 Oct. 25 sqd. claimed a He111 destroyed over the N.Sea
Night of 6/7 Oct. 25 sqd. claimed a He111 destroyed and two contacted but finally lost.
Night of 7/8 Oct. 25 sqd. aircraft fired at He111 but result unknown. Mosquito failed to return. (another) He111 contacted but lost
I assume this came from Squadron ORB.
From NVMs these are the losses I have:-
5th Oct 5K+LS ditched off Norfolk Coast 3 Pows 2 missing, 'K' report says pilot ditched following engine failure.
6th Oct 5K+KS made emergency landing near Venlo after returning from attack with combat damage 5 lightly inj.
8th Oct 5K+KR crew missing from attack on England two washed ashore, and 5K+DS crew killed in crash near Groet N. holland while on mission to attack England.
Home Office Key Point damage report for week ending 0600hrs. on 11th Oct. 1944 claims V-1 attacks on 5 nights in the previous week

Perhaps Brian Cull has more,

Regards
Brian Bines

Re: 8/10-1944
 

This is getting a little confused. 5-6 Oct Jones of 25 Sqn claimed a He 111 dest 45 miles east of Lowestoft 1945 hrs; Marshal of 25 Sqn claimed a He 111 dest 50 miles east of Southwold 1956 hrs 6-7 Oct; Travers of 25 Sqn He 111 dam 60 mile east Lowestoft 1956 hrs

Lt Hans Bohne in 5K+KS of 8/KG 3 force-landed at Venlo 6 Oct 44 after combat with all 5 crew lightly wounded. Uffz Hans Schulte in 5K+LS was reported lost 7 Oct 44 but the K report states they were picked up 1400 hrs on 6 Oct; Uffz Winfried Brender in 5K+KR was reported missing 8 October 44 with various crew being washed ashore later; Fw Lothar Gall in 5K+DS collided with a comms tower at 2000 hrs 8 Oct 44 and crashed at Groet

Re: 8/10-1944
 

Hmmm, I have the following:

"One H.E. 111 destroyed over North Sea by Mosquito of 25 Sqdn., during Flying Bomb activity."

And then,

"One of the H.E. 111 launching aircraft was damaged by a Mosquito of 25 Squadron."

Stephen