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Any Flugbuch entries for Ar66
Is there any flugbuch entries for Ar66c
D-INUI , ND+NX , D-IKYH Regards Ernst |
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Regarding BA-MA, RL 3/2220, the D-INUI was an Junkers A48.
Greetings Rasmussen |
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Hi Rasmussen, tanks for the replay, strange becahuse we have a picture showing D-INUI as a Ar66. But may be it was intended to be so, ending up with another factory taking the registration.
So D-INUI is a Ar66 |
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Rasmussen,
I have the A 48 WNr. 3362 as D-INUT. |
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Maybe an error in the documents or in my lists ...
D-IKYH I have in Fliegerschule Böblingen in 06/36. |
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re D-INUT, Rolf Baltabol writes clearly twice in his logbook 06.1934
A 48 D-ENUT W.Nr. 3362 (this possibly in error for D-INUT) but this had modified rear fuselage & single tail Ed |
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D-IKYH had c/n 551
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Ar 66 C WNr. 0410 ND+NX with Sch./FAR 10 Nov 1939 to September 1940 then FFS(A/B) 125 until October 1941. Febeuary 1943 with FFS(A/B) 3 at Guben.
Regards, Norbert |
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Ed,
all A 48 aircraft, which received a four letter civil registration were in the D-I class. This aircraft was too heavy for a D-E registration. Norbert, I have a photo copy of this Ar 66C from Sch./FAR 11 at Schönwalde during 1940. It shows clearly the number 410 in white at the fuselage below the wing and the registration PJ+A? (unfortunately the last letter is hidden behind the wing). I'm afraid you have to check your source for WNr. 410 = ND+NX again. |
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Hi Merlin
Thanks for posting these details, much appreciated. Is there any chance of posting the photo of the Ar66C showing the W/Nr. I ask this because the W/Nr could be partially hidden by wing struts as there were also a range of Ar66C W/Nrs in the 1400 series. So possible the W/Nr could be 1410 in your photo. Regards Tom |
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Merlin, I do know, not first time here today :-)
But what is your (corrected) source for D-INUT if not this logbook? I was merely informing of that A 48 D- NUT 3362 has written logboook source and what it was. Besides its now well over 40 years since I stated my researche´s into aviation history in general and have come across quite a few "exceptions" and "mistakes" and "surprises" and such. I recommmend put in "safety" clause, as never say never, when it comes to anything RLM or Luftwaffe business. Or even USAAF for that matter. Latest surprise I saw was a twin engined B-17G (outer engines and nacelles removed and faired). Ok, I knew of a twin Halifax (taxi trainer). Ed |
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Summary so far:
Ar66C WNr.0767 D-INUI. Fliegerübungsstelle Schönwalde 08.35 - 12.36 Fliegerschule Halberstadt 06.38 - 09.38 Erg.Btl. 31 at Brandis 09.39 Verbindungsstaffel 58 30% damage at Biala Podlaska on 29.06.41 Ar66C WNr. 0410 ND + NX. Ar66C - WNr.0410 - D-???? - manufactured November 1934, Arado Flugzeugwerke GmbH [source: Flugzeug Übernahme 1934-1936] Ar66C - WNr.0410 - D-???? - ND+NX - Sch./FAR10 - Neukuhren, Germany - Stkz assigned November 1939 [sources: Barry Rosch; Luftarchiv-Stkz] Ar66C - WNr.0410 - ND+NX - Sch./FAR10 - Neukuhren, Germany - June 1940 [source: Eric Guillaume] Ar66C - WNr.0410 - ND+NX - Sch./FAR10 - Neukuhren, Germany - September 1940 [source: Luftarchiv-Stkz] Ar66C - WNr.0410 - ND+NX - FFS(A/B)125 - Neukuhren, Germany on 27-Jan-41. Flight entry in Flugbuch. [source: Fb.Röwert; photo] Ar66C - WNr.0410 - ND+NX - FFS(A/B)125 - Neukuhren, Germany on 20-Jul-41. Flight entry in Flugbuch [source: Fb.Kübler; photo] Ar66C - WNr.0410 - ND+NX - FFS(A/B)125 Neukuhren, Germany - October 1941 [source: Luftarchiv-Stkz] Ar66C - WNr.0410 - ND+NX - FFS(A/B)3 - Guben, Germany - February 1943 [source: Luftarchiv-Stkz] Ar66C WNr. 0551 D-IKYH. Ar66C - WNr.0551 - D-IKYH - manufactured May 1935, Arado Flugzeugwerke GmbH, Warnemünde, Germany [sources: Flugzeug Übernahme 1934-1936; Tom Willis; Jörg Meincke; LEMB] Ar66C - WNr.0551 - D-IKYH Fliegerschule Böblingen 06/36. [sources: Rasmussen forum.12oclockhigh] Ar66C WNr. 2127. Ar66C - WNr.2127 - manufactured 1936, AGO Flugzeugwerke GmbH, Oschersleben, Germany [source: Tom Willis] |
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Post #10: The photo is not my property, therefore I can not post it. The number is clearly redable and not hidden by any strut.
Post #11: My entries for D-INUT are from the Flugbuch Baltabol and the monthly accident summary for June 1935 which lists the A 48 D-INUT as a 100% crash with Fliegergruppe (S) Schleißheim. Post 12: some additional data for these Ar 66 aircraft Ar66C WNr.0767 D-INUI Under repair at Basser company Berlin 03.42 Ar66C WNr.0410 D-IPES Used by DLV Hamburg from 12.34 until 04.36 and later Fliegerübungsstelle Hamburg during summer 1937 The correlation to registration ND+NX is wrong - see post #10. The flights listed in your table did belong to ND+NX. Ar66C WNr. 0551 D-IKYH Fliegerschule Böblingen 05.35 to 08.37, school moved to Nellingen 09.37 Fliegerschule Nellingen 09.37 to 02.39 |
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Hi Merlin
Thanks for your detailed reply My notes on ND+NX have the same details but does not not refer to any W/Nr. If it is any help the PJ+A? for the Ar66C only relates from PJ+AA to PJ+AK Regards Tom |
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Tanks for this useful update Merlin. can you send a scan of the foto to me on mail eknutso@broadpark.no
Regards Ernst |
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Hi Merlin,
thank you for the clarification on the Werknummer of ND+NX. Regards, Norbert |
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New summary:
And we found another new WNr. 2170 anything on this ? Ar66C WNr.0767 D-INUI. Fliegerübungsstelle Schönwalde 08.35 - 12.36 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Halberstadt 06.38 - 09.38 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Erg.Btl. 31 at Brandis 09.39 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Verbindungsstaffel 58 30% damage at Biala Podlaska on 29.06.41 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Under repair at Basser company Berlin 03.42 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] 27.11.44 is 3./N.S.Gr.8 on Bardufoss. Ended up at Bardufoss as wrecks from Nachtschlacht Gruppe 8 There exists a foto taken at bardufoss showing airframes with codes 6J+VL and 6J+QL, if our is one of this we dont know. We have 2 data plates for this airfarme One from Arado Flugzeug Werke (1935), the other from G. Basser K.G. Zwickau Sa.(Mars 42). The last one is proably from a repair. Both have Werk Nr : 767. Ar66C WNr. 0410 D-IPES PJ+A? Used by DLV Hamburg from 12.34 until 04.36 and later Fliegerübungsstelle Hamburg during summer 1937 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Ar66C - WNr.0410 - D-IPES manufactured November 1934, Arado Flugzeugwerke GmbH [source: Flugzeug Übernahme 1934-1936] Ar66C WNr. 0551 D-IKYH. Ar66C - WNr.0551 - D-IKYH - manufactured May 1935, Arado Flugzeugwerke GmbH, Warnemünde, Germany [sources: Flugzeug Übernahme 1934-1936; [Tom Willis; Jörg Meincke; LEMB] Ar66C - WNr.0551 - D-IKYH Fliegerschule Böblingen 06/36. [sources: Rasmussen forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Böblingen 05.35 to 08.37, school moved to Nellingen 09.37 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Nellingen 09.37 to 02.39 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Ar66c WNr. 2170 Ar66C WNr. 2127. Ar66C - WNr.2127 - manufactured 1936, AGO Flugzeugwerke GmbH, Oschersleben, Germany [source: Tom Willis] Is it possible to get a scan of the 0410 picture as a refrence to our museum ?. Tanks in advance Ernst |
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Hello,
I have a (poor) photo showing Wnr. 410 from FFS(A/B) 14, with a partially legible Stkz : RO+A? Regards. Eric |
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So some of this is not a Ar66 but somthing else then. Is it possible to see the 2 fotos of WrkNr 0410 then? or maybe 1410 ?
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Hello,
I have just sent you a scan from the photo I have. Regards. Eric |
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Note: Repaired aircraft (often) had parts fitted from other aircraft. After 1937 this was the rule: Do not wait for parts to be repaired; fit whatever parts (that) already were repaired and available. The rear part of fuselage (the part below the fin) ruling what W.Nr. the completed airframe had. After 1941, in that area a triangular "emergency" dataplate was fitted. This gives type and W.Nr., but I suppose you already know this.
Ed |
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Thanks a lot for the foto Eric, it is defnetly a Ar66, and indeed 410 ( in wite below the cocpit lh side - green camo ?). But the code is not good to see, and can as well be PJ insted of RO. Can be A after the cross, then a letter outlined in wite. Lets hope Merlin have the same foto i a better condition.
Lets hope someone have info on WrkNr 2170. Regards Ernst. |
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We most likely have solved the ID for WrkNr.410 by coversation and comparison of the two fotos. Thanks for the cooperation Eric Guillaume and Gerhard Stemmer. As Eric`s foto shows a horisontal line on the 4 letter. we conclude on RO + AZ.
The Z insted of a P relay on that FFS A/B 14 until June 1942 and RO+AZ after service with A/B 14 ( 410 insted of stf insignia ) I will update the summary later when we get more WrkNr`s from the wrecks in Bodø or find even more at Sola |
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This is from Hannu Valtonens book.
15.04.1944 Ar66 I./NSGr. 8. tuhoutui pääjärvellä ajamalla pintaan 22.10.1944 Ar66c 3./NSGr. 8. tuhoutui rullaus-vauriossa 23.10.1944 ar66c 3./NSGr. 8. tuhoutui ujejärven eteläpäässä luultavasti siirtolennon aikana 23.10.1944 Ar66c 3./NSGr. 8. tuhoutui sotalennolla ilman vihollisvaikutusta. 03.11.1944 Ar66c 3./NSGr. 8. kuten edellä ( as abowe ) (Ju52 Trg 20 ) C vaurioitui ilman vihollis-vaikutusta ei sotalento ) 06.11.1944 Ar66c 3./NSGr 8. tuhoutui käyttövirheen takia. Is there any more info to get from this acsidents? may be a translation, was not easy with google translate. |
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15.04.1944 Contact with ice.
22.10.1944 Destroyed when taxying. 23.10.1944 Destroyed at the south end of Ujejärvi possibly during transfer flight. 23.10.1944 Destroyed in operational flight without enemy action. 03.11.1944 Damaged in non-operational flight without enemy action. 06.11.1944 Destroyed due to control error. No other info available. Matti |
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Found 2 new WrkNr`s today on fairings.
Hope we can get some info on: Ar66c WNr. 1034 Ar66c WNr. 1244 Ar66c WNr. 2170 |
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Ar66c WNr. 1034 no data on history available
Ar66c WNr. 1244 must be an error, between WNr. 1198 and 1801 there were no Ar 66 Ar66c WNr. 2170 no data on history available |
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Best regards Rasmussen P.S.: In FB Beck I've found the Ar 66, W.Nr.1446, too. |
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As you both see 1244 is stamped on a fairing. As we have found other WrkNr the same way, we can recon this as confirmed,
This wil then give 1244 as PD + NX then ? https://www.flickr.com/photos/108070...n/photostream/ |
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greetings Rasmussen |
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To Merlin:
You say that there were no Ar 66 between W.Nr. 1198 and 1801. In fact, there were at least two series of Werk Nummern, one in the 1200 series and one in the 1400 series. I have from aircraft repair reports at least between 60 and 70 W.Nummer that prove this. They are reports in the RL 3 documents series from Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv. Again I urge you to quote what sources you are using. The W.Nr. 1244 is absolutely valid. This aircraft arrived at Hans Klemm Flugzeugbau in Böblingen on 17.09.1937 and spent 86 days there for repairs. |
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Sorry for the confusion triggered by my last post.
There were indeed Ar 66 in this number range. They were build by AGO from autumn 1935 to spring 1936 and were officially delivered as 2/1201 to 2/1258 and 2/1399 to 2/1450. WNr. 2/1244 has had the registration AC+AH (I know this is far outside any rules but it's confirmed by several Flugbuch entries and photos). The last owner according to my files was I./FAG 101 at Großenhain in May 1944. |
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We have at last found the orginal WrkNr on the airframe we are restoring. During a test of the compleat wing set restord at Kjevik monted on the airframe. At this ocation there was found to be painted a WrkNr on the rudderpedals in the rear cocpit. These where dismantled from the airframe and have been lost until now. Se my flickr acount. This means we need info on the real WrkNr 1034.
Regards Ernst |
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Found to more WrkNr on tail parts recived from Bodø, any aditional info ?
WrkNr 1194 and 234 Regards Ernst |
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Replay from Tom Willis at the LRG forum
Ar66C. I can add additional data. Ar66C - WNr 234 - D-IGEL - Est Rechlin - 1935 & Est Travemunde - 07.36. FFS(See)Putnitz - 07.38 at Putnitz (Fb.Hertnagel) Ar66C - WNr 1194 - No Unit/markings but the W/Nr 1194 was picked up by the Allied 'Y' Service radio intercepts dated 21.10.44 at Stade. So WrkNr 1194 is may be from another Unit in europe with different equipment / trainer ? |
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New summary: Wrk.Nr found on Ar66 Parts/Airframes fra Bardufoss
Ar66C WNr.0767 D-INUI. Fliegerübungsstelle Schönwalde 08.35 - 12.36 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Halberstadt 06.38 - 09.38 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Erg.Btl. 31 at Brandis 09.39 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Verbindungsstaffel 58 30% damage at Biala Podlaska on 29.06.41 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Under repair at Basser company Berlin 03.42 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] 27.11.44 is 3./NSGr8 on Bardufoss. Ended up at Bardufoss as wrecks from Nachtschlacht Gruppe 8 There exists a foto taken at bardufoss showing airframes with codes 6J+VL and 6J+QL, if our is one of this we dont know. We have 2 data plates for this airfarme One from Arado Flugzeug Werke (1935), the other from G. Basser K.G. Zwickau Sa.(Mars 42). The last one is proably from a repair. Both have Werk Nr : 767. Ar66C - WNr 234 - D-IGEL - Est Rechlin - 1935 & Est Travemunde - 07.36. FFS(See)Putnitz - 07.38 at Putnitz (Fb.Hertnagel) Ar66C WNr. 0410 D-IPES PJ+A? The Z insted of a P relay on that FFS(A/B)14 until June 1942 and RO+AZ after service with A/B 14 ( 410 insted of stf insignia ) Ar66C WNr. 0551 D-IKYH. Ar66C - WNr.0551 - D-IKYH - manufactured May 1935, Arado Flugzeugwerke GmbH, Warnemünde, Germany [sources: Flugzeug Übernahme 1934-1936; [Tom Willis; Jörg Meincke; LEMB] Ar66C - WNr.0551 - D-IKYH Fliegerschule Böblingen 06/36. [sources: Rasmussen forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Böblingen 05.35 to 08.37, school moved to Nellingen 09.37 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Nellingen 09.37 to 02.39 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Ar66c WNr. 1034 Ar66c WNr. 1244 WNr. 2/1244 has had the registration AC+AH (I know this is far outside any rules but it's confirmed by several Flugbuch entries and photos). The last owner according to my files was I./FAG 101 at Großenhain in May 1944 Ar66c WNr. 2170 Ar66C WNr. 2127. Ar66C - WNr.2127 - manufactured 1936, AGO Flugzeugwerke GmbH, Oschersleben, Germany [source: Tom Willis] Found som more Wrk.Nr`s we need info on: Ar66c Wrk.nr 30, found on a front engine cowling part Ar66C Wrk.Nr 416 Ar66C Wrk.Nr 470 We also got the last airframe from Bodø, salvaged from Sør varanger Finnmark Ar66C Wrk.Nr 850, found on multple parts including fairing on the tail section. Tanks in advance Ernst |
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New summary: Wrk.Nr found on Ar66 Parts/Airframes fra Bardufoss
Ar66C WNr.0767 D-INUI. Fliegerübungsstelle Schönwalde 08.35 - 12.36 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Halberstadt 06.38 - 09.38 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Erg.Btl. 31 at Brandis 09.39 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Verbindungsstaffel 58 30% damage at Biala Podlaska on 29.06.41 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Under repair at Basser company Berlin 03.42 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] 27.11.44 is 3./NSGr8 on Bardufoss. Ended up at Bardufoss as wrecks from Nachtschlacht Gruppe 8 There exists a foto taken at bardufoss showing airframes with codes 6J+VL and 6J+QL, if our is one of this we dont know. We have 2 data plates for this airfarme One from Arado Flugzeug Werke (1935), the other from G. Basser K.G. Zwickau Sa.(Mars 42). The last one is proably from a repair. Both have Werk Nr : 767. Ar66C - WNr 234 - D-IGEL - Est Rechlin - 1935 & Est Travemunde - 07.36. FFS(See)Putnitz - 07.38 at Putnitz (Fb.Hertnagel) Ar66C WNr. 0410 D-IPES PJ+A? The Z insted of a P relay on that FFS(A/B)14 until June 1942 and RO+AZ after service with A/B 14 ( 410 insted of stf insignia ) Ar66C WNr. 0551 D-IKYH. Ar66C - WNr.0551 - D-IKYH - manufactured May 1935, Arado Flugzeugwerke GmbH, Warnemünde, Germany [sources: Flugzeug Übernahme 1934-1936; [Tom Willis; Jörg Meincke; LEMB] Ar66C - WNr.0551 - D-IKYH Fliegerschule Böblingen 06/36. [sources: Rasmussen forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Böblingen 05.35 to 08.37, school moved to Nellingen 09.37 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Fliegerschule Nellingen 09.37 to 02.39 [sources: Merlin forum.12oclockhigh] Ar66c WNr. 1034 Ar66c WNr. 1244 WNr. 2/1244 has had the registration AC+AH (I know this is far outside any rules but it's confirmed by several Flugbuch entries and photos). The last owner according to my files was I./FAG 101 at Großenhain in May 1944 Ar66c WNr. 2170 Ar66C WNr. 2127. Ar66C - WNr.2127 - manufactured 1936, AGO Flugzeugwerke GmbH, Oschersleben, Germany [source: Tom Willis] Found som more Wrk.Nr`s we need info on: Ar66c Wrk.nr 30, found on a front engine cowling part Ar66C Wrk.Nr 416 Ar66C Wrk.Nr 470 We found 3 more Wnr on parts arriving from Bodø Ar66c Wrk.Nr 19 Ar66c Wrk.Nr 41 Ar66c Wrk.nr 52 Any more info on these? We also got the last airframe from Bodø, salvaged from Sør varanger Finnmark Ar66C Wrk.Nr 850, found on multple parts including fairing on the tail section. Tanks in advance Ernst |
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