19 Sqn Losses
 

Can anyone identify those 19 Sqn Spitfires lost in 1941 which ended in crash landings? Jock Cunningham on 28 Aug was one but what others as I have just obtained a photo which is clearly of a 19 Sqn ac with 3 German soldiers clambering over it

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

I presume you mean "lost" on the other side?

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

Indeed-lost means lost to the enemy in this case

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

Chris,

Have you tried to browse the Spitfire production list? http://www.airhistory.org.uk/spitfire/_prodn%20list.txt

It's a bit of a task to do (use "19S" as search function) and you may find (all?) Spitfires of 19 Squadron lost in 1941 on this side of the Channel.

See e.g. P7547, P7693, P7771, P7813 and no doubt several more.

Regards,

Leendert

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I am about to do that-I was hoping for an easier option! An earlier post lists:

27-6-41 - Andrews - P7379
27-6-41 - Cowley - P7813
21-7-41 - Oxlin - P7547
21-7-42 - Tucker - P7890
07-8-41 - Plzak - P7771
12-8-41 - Calvert - P7693

Code looks like QV-P or R

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

Hello,
Way back in 2001 the losses of 19 Sqdn were discussed thread heading was "19 Sqn pilot killed 2 Nov 1941" by Jeff Carless. and "Spitfire 19 Sqn" (Dec 19 2001) by the late Henk Welting.
Cannot get it now from archive as does not go back that far.
A rough list from old paper work that I still have.
P7535 - 22-2-41 - Johnson.
????? - 23-2-41 - Cowley.
????? - 1-3-41 - Dutton.
P7617 - 24-3-41- Anderson.
P7429 - 24-3-41 - Charnock.
P7379 - 19-4-41 - MIA.
P7429 - 21-4-41 - ?
P7617 - 21-4-41 - ?
????? - 30-4-41 - Haines.
P7379 - 27-6-41 - Andrews.
P7813 - 27-6-41 - Cowley.
P8460 - 27-6-41 - Cox.
P7547 - 21-7-41 - Oxlin.
P7890 - 21-7-41 - Tucker.
P8579 - 21-7-41 - Brooker - Book has P7860 ?
P7425 - 31-7-41 - Howard - Crashed Albury, Herts.
P7924 - 7-8-41 - Milman.
P7771 - 7-8-41 - Plzak.
P7693 - 12-8-41 - Calvert.
R6897 - 26-8-41 - Burgoyne.
P7995 - 28-8-41 - Lawson.
P8439 - 28-8-41 - Cunningham.
P8243 - 29-8-41 - Stuart.
P8255 - 29-8-41 - Davies.
P8449 - 29-8-41 - Parkin.
P8668 - 29-8-41 - Edmunds.
P7887 - 4-9-41 - T/O ac, Pilot ?.
P8166 - 5-9-41 - Vokes doi 6-9-41.
P8277 - 5-9-41 - Moor.
P7971 - 12-10-41 - Hit trees landing, Pilot?
P8384 - 2-11-41 - Thiele.
AD500 -15-11-41 - Pilot ?

All for now
Alex

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

Attachment 10641

Hi Chris,

One QV-F, P8255, Sgt Davies, KIA on 29/8/1941.

HTH,

Bertrand

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

Thanks Bertrand. Not this one as the individual letter is much thicker

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

As we are going nowhere for certain, this is the photo

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

Chris,

It is QV F (P8255)

BertrandAttachment 10643

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I thought that Davies was brought down off the coast? It looks as if he landed this so when did he die? Still puzzled with the differences between the letter F

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

Neck broken when the engine Merlin stops violently in the ground ?

Attachment 10644

Next challenge will the place of this crash.....

Bertrand

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

I cannot seem to find his burial details-anyone help? Combat was off Belgian/Dutch coast? No record in the Dutch lists

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

Chris,

I gathered from previous posts on this very forum (2007 or so) and also RAF Commands (same years) that Sgt Clifford Davies was shot down over sea and the Germans picked him up. So POW instead of KIA.


Regards,
Leendert

Re: 19 Sqn Losses
 

From Bertrand's photos, it does appear to be P82 and 19 Sqn which means it can only be P8243 or P8255, both apparently lost off the coast to II/ZG 76???? Cas Cards say 1106853 Sgt Clifford Davies was lost 60 miles east of Great Yarmouth and was POW wounded. It also says that Plt Off Peter Stuart who was meant to be reported missing in P8243 was actually flying P8668?? Cas cards also say that Parkin was in P8243 and Edmunds P8449 and both were lost at sea. So, as Bertrand says, if it is Davies, did he in fact crash-land and if so where? Not Holland but what about Belgium?