eBay: Some Me 262s 14/10
 

Hi,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-LOT-OF-...item3ce9f0c7d5

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captured-Ger...item27ed392f8c

Enjoy it.

Regards, Franck.

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Hi Franck,
great finds :) - the second set of photos shows Me 262 TS+MB and Fw 190 TF+LL in Oberwiesenfeld, Munich.

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Welcome! :)

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Dear ChristianK,

I think the Me 262 might be T9 rather than TS. While the photo says Munich, which I would have assumed meant Munich-Riem, you say otherwise. From where do you get your information?

Regards,
Richard

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Hi Richard,
the location is verified by comparison of about 30 war- and peacetime photos of Oberwiesenfeld and is a hundred percent correct.

Another photo of this Me 262 can be found in the old Luftwaffe Verband issue 36. I've attached it for you - and you are even correct, it could be "T9" instead of "TS", but there were such a lot of Bf 109s and Bf 110s coded "TS+MB" found at Schleißheim, which is very close to Oberwiesenfeld, that it is very likely that our Me 262 originally belonged to that bunch (TS+MB is not a Stammkennzeichen but some kind of an universal marking allocated to Technische Schule - Motor, based at Schleißheim. Also see this thread: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=28005).

There is one other photo showing a part of this Me 262s tail, but sadly, no Werknummer can be seen.

Cheers,
Christian

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Dear ChristianK,

Thank you for your explanation. So, TS+MB is not a factory code, but actually a training unit code. Very interesting.

Warmest regards,
Richard

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Hi Guys,

I hope you seen on the Me262 taken at Wright-Field the back part of the engines have been mounted in front, and the contrary. On both... And there is a large Messerchmitt painted on left fuselage side.

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Dear Franck,

I think that is the cover for the Riedel starter, although it is not properly mounted. That, or it is a fake cover. The tail bullet has no center hole for the pull starter.

Thanks for pointing out the word "Messerschmitt". I'd completely missed it. I don't recall seeing any other photo showing this.

Regards,
Richard

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Hello everyone,

Regarding Frank’s second photo in Post#1 (Fw190A-4, WNr.142522, TF+LL 4, marked as found in “Munich”), I have other photographs of this distinctive aircraft, as well as other similarly-marked Fw190A-4s. Multiple sources indicate that these aircraft were abandoned at Straubing.

Clarification of the correct location will be welcome.

Steve Sheflin

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Hi Steve,
shouldn't be this a A-5? I think the AGO block for the A-4 ended at WNr.0142520 and then the A-5 started. Additionally it served with 2./Erg.Gr. FlÜG 1 in May 1944. Maybe with this, one can pin point the location?

Regards,
Norbert

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Steve,
have a look at this thread: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...oberwiesenfeld and compare the photos you have to the scrapyard overviews. This will already clarify many questions. For anything else I would have to upload all my photos and I am too lazy for that ;) Please believe me, "TF+LL" was found at Oberwiesenfeld.
The same is true for most of the other known Fw 190s similarly marked (I have TF+LL, TY+RU, SH+JA, SP+SO, ?F+DE and (likely) TH+RU)*. I don't know though, to which unit they might have belonged. Any help here would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Christian

*plus BW+WC and VS+BX in Bad Aibling

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Norbert and Christian,

First, you are correct Norbert. A-5 it is and not A-4. I hit the wrong key and didn’t check my posting.

Christian, thanks for the most informative information. It does make me wonder, however, why so many GIs made the same blunder in locating their photographs.

Steve Sheflin

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The captions have to be taken with some scepticism. One aerial view is designated "Munich" but was obviously taken over the Kongresshalle, Reichsparteitagsgelände Nuremberg.

Regards

Roland

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Gentlemen,
I have to second Christian as to the location: this is München-Oberwiesenfeld indeed. The Focke-Wulf A-5 was part of quite a large array of aircraft (at least 31 a/c) dumped around two blast-walls next to the large maintenance-hangar in the north-western edge of the airfield in 1945. The clue is the buildings in the background of the shots with the Fw 190 and the JUMO 004s. These were two hangars of distinctive construction at the northern edge of the airfield and you may see the chimney of a well known civil factory in the background (IIRC Knorr-Bremse).

The other thing: I don’t what to be nitpicking, but AFAIK there was no “Fliegertechnische Schule Motor” at Schleißheim nor at any other place. That facilities for instruction of aviation technicians were simply named “Fliegertechnische Schule” with a number following. From what little information I found, FTS 3 started using different installations around Munich, was concentrated at Oberwiesenfeld when WW2 began and was finally dislocated at Schleißheim, but also using Oberwiesenfeld for training on general a/c maintenance. Even in official documents it was indiscriminately named like FTS München, FTS Freimann or FTS Schleißheim.

The FTS was divided into 17 Kompanien (from late 1940: 13) for different kinds of training. From loss reports in 1944 I can recognize 1. Komp. as “Technischer Einweisungs-Lehrgang”, 2. for Flugzeugschlosser, 4. for Flugzeug-Elektromechaniker and 5. for Flugmotorenschlosser. Late in 1944 some 800 women were trained for Flugzeugmaler, Flugzeugschlosser or Flugzeugelektriker and there also was a training-course for female Fliegerhelferinnen (two 17 year old Fliegerhelferinnen were killed in a bombing-attack on 7. Jan. 1945).

Perhaps somebody can help us we the FTS-issue and has more information.

Greetings
Carl

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Dear Richard,
You're right indeed. it's just completly outside ..
As for me concerning that writing....
I just did check, it is on one different view , taken at the same place (though it's difficult to say it's the same just place because of the US wooden posts), though unreadable AND the Riedel starter is outside, like on that last photo.

Regards, Franck