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steve sheridan 13th November 2014 20:30

Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Hi, could anybody help with any service details on Oblt Mejstrik who served with 8/KG4 during the summer of 1943. From the research i have done so far it would appear he made his last flight on 13.3.45 so possibly survived the war.
Any further info would be most welcome.
Best regs,
Steve.

udf_00 13th November 2014 21:09

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
There is an Oberstleutnant Karl Hermann Mejstrik involved in the demise of the Cessna L-19A Bird Dog 3A-CP of the Austrian Air Force on 09 FEB 1967.
http://www.gotech.at/l19.htm

Doug Stankey 14th November 2014 01:33

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
From our files we have this, which may or may not be relevant:

MEJSTRIK, Karl. 28.02.44 Oblt., (pilot) awarded the Ehrenpokal.

steve sheridan 14th November 2014 10:41

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Good morning, thanks for the information on Mejstrik, udf-00 and Doug.
Does anybody know when he joined KG4 and any details regarding crew or a/c flown.

By mid 1943 8/KG4 were flying Heinkel 111H-6 and He 111H-11 a/c, has anybody got any information as to what colour 8 staffel individual a/c letters were coloured, would it be red, or black with white outlines. Perhaps photo's exist during this time?
Any help would be most appreciated.
Kindest regs,
Steve.

udf_00 14th November 2014 11:30

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Mejstrik, Hermann
http://wwii-photos-maps.com/linked/flight%20list.html
From flugbuches entries?

Larry deZeng 14th November 2014 14:04

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Yes, those are Flugbücher and all of them are in the collection of one individual. Amazing, isn’t it? Thousands and thousands of them. They are an excellent primary source for filling in the gaps in wartime career assignments for aircrew personalities. The owner of the collection does not make copies or lend them out to researchers. His policy is 1 for 1, meaning that he will trade one of his for one he does not have. I assume this means copies and not the originals.

Rasmussen 14th November 2014 16:38

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Dear Larry,

you could collect these copies itself?! Of course this is an question of money or the priorities --- you can pay 1000 € for two pictures of an Bf 109, an trip to Kew or 20 - 30 copies of flightbooks ... or you have some connections to other collectors. In the meantime I've collected 900 -1000 copies and not one was from Walter Waiss (the "individual"). Somewhere I have an copy from the Mejstrik - books too but unfortunately I haven't founded the copy (not yet) in the meters of paper.

steve sheridan 14th November 2014 18:12

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Thanks for the lead udf-00, however i stumbled across this site during my initial research for information on Mejstrik.

Larry and Rasmussen, regarding this huge archive Waiss has amassed, its a crying shame that much of this information will be kept away from researchers and enthusiasts. I am sure this treasure trove would help many of us fill gaps in records regarding careers and operational detail, but at the end of the day its Herr Waiss's perogative!
Kindest regs,
Steve.

Larry deZeng 14th November 2014 18:14

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
You are right, Rasmussen. There are quite a few out there who collect Flugbuch originals or copies either in paper format or as digital photos. It's not my cup of tea, but like you said, we all have our interests and priorities. Those who collect for long will eventually come up against the huge W.W. collection and have to decide whether to try and negotiate with him or not. It's really too bad from the standpoint of historical research that the Flugbücher are not all together in a central repository, such as BA-MA Freiburg, where they could be studied and digital copies made.

L.

Larry deZeng 14th November 2014 18:32

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steve sheridan (Post 192013)
Thanks for the lead udf-00, however i stumbled across this site during my initial research for information on Mejstrik.

Larry and Rasmussen, regarding this huge archive Waiss has amassed, its a crying shame that much of this information will be kept away from researchers and enthusiasts. I am sure this treasure trove would help many of us fill gaps in records regarding careers and operational detail, but at the end of the day its Herr Waiss's perogative!
Kindest regs,
Steve.

Yeah, Steve. I guess we'll have to let W.W. skate on this one. After all, he layed out a hefty pile of quid for his collection so he gets to call the shots.

L

Nick Beale 14th November 2014 19:04

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng (Post 192015)
Yeah, Steve. I guess we'll have to let W.W. skate on this one. After all, he layed out a hefty pile of quid for his collection so he gets to call the shots.

L

But I wonder what the point of it is if you do nothing with the information they contain? It seems a bit like a dragon in its cave sat on a pile of gold. What possible use is the gold to the dragon?

Larry deZeng 14th November 2014 19:14

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
W.W. may view the originals as an investment that could eventually be sold on e-bay when he needs retirement money. The photocopies would have little re-sale value, of course. The Militaria Collectors market is very large so there is always a ready customer base out there for WWII German documents and awards, as well as daggers, swords, emblems, entire uniforms, etc.

Rasmussen 14th November 2014 20:32

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
His first flight in KG 4 was on 02.09.1942 with the He 111, 5J+DU, in Avord (the first days are bad to read ... the copy is to light ...but the next flight was on 08.09.1942 - the last in Große Kampffliegerschule Parow on 29.07.1942 ... so I assume it was the 02.09.). An type was mentioned one times -- He 111H-5. He changed to 8./ KG 4 between 04.10 and 09.10.1942. Then he transfered from Wittstock to Posen on 16.10.1942 - here were done "Verbandsflüge" and "DFS 230-Schlepp" (crew: Obfw. Barczewski, Uffz. Kremer, Gefr. Gillenkirch). On 07.11.1942 transfered to San Pancrazio/ Sardinia and Lecce. Flight no. 1040 - 1063 (2 pages) are missing in my copie (maybe they are somewhere in the papers). The next flights were from Makajewka and Bagerowo (Schlepp Go 242), time frame January - February 1943 (for example with He 111P-3, VJ+JZ, or He 111H-16, 5J+KS). In March/ April are mentioned bombings of the "bridge head" Noworossisk with starts from Saki. Later he was in Karatschew. His last flight in KG 4 was on 28.07.1943 from Schatalowka (was stopped because of engine failure, He 111, 5J+ES, 19.05-20.05). The next flights were in the end of 1943/ 1944 with Fi 156 (CN+GH, K1+QH) and He 111, Bf 108. The last flight was on 13.03.1945 with Bf 108, K1+CH , to Marienbad (Marianske Lazne).

Best regards
Rasmussen

Larry deZeng 14th November 2014 22:30

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
The (K1+ - -) Verbandskennzeichen was for Stab and Flugbereitschaft/Luftflotte 6 and that would nicely fit his flights to and around Marienbad in March 1945. It might also suggest his capture by the Russians at the end of the war.

L.

steve sheridan 15th November 2014 12:48

Re: Oblt Karl-Hermann Mejstrik 8/KG4
 
Good morning Rasmussen, a special thanks for providing the Flugbuch details on Mejstrik. This is most appreciated and will really help me.
Thank you for your time effort and indeed to all the other guys who have contributed.

Kindest regs,
Steve.


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