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Larry Hickey 3rd December 2014 22:51

Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Hello,

For the EoE Project, our research team is trying to locate photos which must exist of the following two 12 SQ Fairey Battle losses during the famous attack on the Veldwezelt bridge over the Albert Canal on May 12, 1940. One involves the award of the Victoria Cross to two members of the crew.

1) "12 May 1940: Battle P2204. Shot down by flak during low-level attack on the Veldwezelt bridge over the Albert Canal 9.15 a.m. Crashed and burned out near Lanaken. Flying Officer Donald Edward Garland, Sergeant Thomas Gray, and LAC Lawrence Royston Reynolds all killed. Aircraft PH*K a write-off.
The badly burnt remains of this crew was buried in two coffins in Lanaken Communal Cemetery, but later reinterred in Heverlee War Cemetery, Leuven. Donald Garland and his observer, Tom Gray, were both subsequently awarded the Victoria Cross for gallantry. Their gunner, Lawrence Reynolds, received no award of any kind."

2) "12 May 1940: Battle L5439. Set alight by groundfire during low-level attack on the Veldwezelt bridge over the Albert Canal, jettisonned bombs and crash-landed at Neerharen 9.20 a.m. Pilot Officer I. A. McIntosh, Sergeant N. T. W. Harder, and LAC R. P. MacNaughton all captured unhurt. Aircraft PH*N a write-off."

Can anyone help?

Regards,

Allan125 6th December 2014 22:36

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Hello Larry

I have always felt that LAC Reynolds drew the short straw on this one - he as much did his duty on this mission as much as the other two, and trying to keep the opposition fighters off of their back couldn't have been easy.

He should have been awarded a VC the same as the other two.

Allan

Larry Hickey 7th December 2014 06:10

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Allan,

Thanx for your comment. I agree that the gunner should have at least been awarded some significant medal, but I don't want this thread to get distracted from the focus on finding photos of these two downed 12 SQ Battles. The Squadron lost five Battles on 12 May, and we've got photos of the crashes of three of them in the EoE Photo DB. We still need photos of the other two, including the most significant Battle and its crew lost during the war, and one of the most important incidents involving British participation in the Western Campaign. At a minimum, photos of the force-landed McIntosh plane, PHoN, down at Neerharen, almost certainly exist somewhere.

The crash of Garland and his crew at Lanaken is likely to be more problematic, since it both crashed and burned. It is not clear that any recognizable remains of the aircraft ever existed in photography, so we may have to use unidentified wreck images with captions mentioning the Lanaken area to make the match. If the exact site of the crash can be located today and photographed by someone in Belgium, that might also offer some help in being able to match the background against otherwise unidentified wreck photos. I'm also wondering if the newly released RAF historical files on losses might provide some help. This one is likely going to be tough.

Who can help?

Alain57 7th December 2014 12:36

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Hello gentleman,

Perhaps you contact the History Society of the village Lanaken , perhaps they can tell you were Garlands aircraft crashed.

adress : http://www.gossu-lanaken.be/

Regards
Alain57 from Belgium

Larry Hickey 7th December 2014 20:57

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Alain,

Thanx for this excellent suggestion. Does anyone wish to pursue this for the EoE Project?

Regards,

Luc Vervoort 7th December 2014 21:13

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Hi Larry,

I'll contact them.

best regards

Luc

Larry Hickey 7th December 2014 23:27

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Luc,

Thanx. I'll be looking forward to what they might know.

Regards,

markjsheppard 17th December 2014 14:49

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Larry,

Have you seen this one?

Looks like a Battle and mentions the Albert Kanal.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/2243-Foto-Bel...item5b094fa978

regards

Mark

Pieter H 18th December 2014 15:14

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Hi Mark,

a very intersting picture, and new to me.
The background indeed is almost certainly the Albert-canal.
However, this is not at Lanaken, because there the canal branches off into the Verdinsingskanaal (literally the Connecting - or Liaising canal) towards the Dutch Willemsvaart-canal. This branching is nowhere on the picture.
Given the curvature of the canal I think this is further downstream in the direction of Antwerpen. Looking at the map and the curvature my guess is the section between Eigenbilzen en Gellik. The wreck would then be on the southern side of the canal, and the picture looks east.
The aircraft would then almost certainly be the P2332 PH-F of F/O Thomas and his crew, which crashed and burned out during the same mission as the one of Garland that Larry is looking for.
Great find!

Cheers, Pieter

Pieter H 18th December 2014 17:16

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Sorry guys, I made a mistake. Too eager to post :o
Confused two aircraft.
Of course the picture is not the P2332 PH-F, there are many pictures of that one. But it made a fairly controlled emergency landing, ending in a ditch with the crew unhurt.
This picture at Eigenbilzen must be the L5227 PH-J of Sgt Marland, sgt Footner and LAC Perrin who all died in the crash.

Cheers, Pieter

Larry Hickey 18th December 2014 23:00

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Pieter,

Indeed this does show PHoJ. L5227, of Sgt. Marland. Several photos of that one have surfaced, including recently.

Luc Vervoort has established contact with the local historical society at Lanaken, Belgium, and has learned that many German soldiers visited the Garland wreck site and took pictures. I think that we probably already have some of these images in the EoE British Photo DB, which contains over 1400 images of the Fairey Battle, mostly from the WC/FC period. We have a large majority of them identified and associated with known crashes, but still many are not, and some could well be the Garland or the McIntosh crashes, which we're seeking. We just don't know that we have them.

We have learned that although the Garland crew was initially buried locally at Lanaken, the crash actually was at a place called Pietersem which was about 3 km NW of Lanaken. Today, that appears to be just a suburb of Lanaken.

Anyway Luc is still pursuing this at the local level in Belgium, and we're looking for any photos we might have that are captioned at Lanaken or Pietersem. We must be careful with that, however, as there was a Blenheim that crashed at Lanaken on the same day, again, for which we have no known photos. We don't want to confuse the wreckage of the two different aircraft.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Pieter H 18th December 2014 23:15

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Hi Larry,
Glad you confirm. For me this was the first picture of the PH-J crash.
Pieter

coleighf 17th April 2015 07:53

Re: Looking for crash photos of 12 SQ Fairey Battles from 12.05.40-Garland PHoK P2204 & McIntosh PHoN L5439
 
Sorry for joining in late. Garland's Battle actually crashed into the bridge and was jammed in the side of it. In previous years I have seen a photograph of it in a book that I can't now remember, but you could see the tail of the Battle sticking out. Also inthe following days, my father, who had been seriously injured fighting with the 8th Warwickshire Regt. In the rearguard actions on the Comines Canal at Antoing, was taken over this bridge on the back of a German army lorry on his way into captivity. He saw thie Battle wedged into the bridge and told me about it when I was a kid. He told me that it was Garland's plane and it had made a huge impression on him, as it did me because I have never forgotten it. There clearly are photos of this, I don't know if you have had any success yet, but although I can't remember where I saw the photo, it was very stark and remains in my memory.


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