Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

Forgive me if these have been already posted, but they are to good not to mention them:

Number 1) shows an already known plane, but this time the Werknummer is quite readable. Guess it's "500610" (which is also in accordance with what the JaPo guys were speculating in volume II of their Dora work).

Number 2) is more interesting to me, as it shows a crash-landed or disabled He 111 of KG 200. Thomas and Ketley (in their KG 200-book) do list a He 111 "A3+BD". Source is a Flugbuch Braun. Perhaps it's the same aircraft as in this photo. Is there any more info available?

Cheers,
Christian

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

And again I can't post links any more :( Why is that? Had the same problem some months ago...Anyway, I've attached the photos in question. Seller is/was "spyfly03" The auctions just closed.

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

Thank you Christian!

After a long look at the photo, I would think that the W.Nr. is 500619, but I could be wrong.

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

He 111 A3+BD is interesting because every other A3+_D aircraft I know of was a Ju 188 or (in one possible case) a Ju 88. KG 200 used a weird coding system but +_D seems to have denoted the 4. Staffel and its detached Kommandos.

The Geschwader seems to have used He 111s in the East under (from memory) the 2. Staffel.

Thanks for bringing the photo to light.

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

I found these a while back on Ebay There is one more picture.

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

Snautzer - Does this photo show more or less of the Fw 190D-9?

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

Hi Snautzer - I would like to see this photo too. Could you please post it here?

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

He's posted it in a discussion here: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/air...90d-42447.html and referenced that it exists on LEMB. I think this is the pic he's talking about:

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

Yes I believe that I have seen this photo before.

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

Ah ok, I have this one too - thanks for posting anyway!

By the way - I've found the Werknummer of one of the Ju 87s captured in Plauen (on a photo showing nothing but the tailplane). It's 131095 (should be a D-5, KW+OO). Is there any info about the last unit of this plane?

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

http://www.hirtc.com/HIRTC/FW190/Fw190WNr500610.jpg
I have tried to sharpen & clean the tail from that small scan as good as possible but it still doesn't show much detail & one could easily misinterpret the digits in many various ways...
it looks like 500610 but you could easily read it as 550618 too, no matter how wrong it could be.

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

After blowing the FW190 pic up on a big screen, to me the second digit looks much more like a 3 or a 5 than a 0. I'm not aware of any serial number batches starting with 53, sooo .....
Could it possibly be a serial starting with 630? Say 63061x? Would they have got to the 630600's?
50061x sounds most plausible, but just doesn't look right to me.
Cheers
Peter

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

500610, Mimetall

http://i.imgur.com/xJ939eX.png

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

Wow! That is so much better quality scan than the one from ebay! Thanks for this. Did you purchase the photo on ebay (if it's not rude to ask) or you have sourced it from elsewhere.
Best
Miloš

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

No problem. Sourced from elsewhere.

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

This just goes to show how much small details be be distorted in a bad photo reproduction. Perhaps the other images presented earlier were scans and the level of detail was limited by the scanner. Whatever it was, I don't think I'll ever try to guess again ..........

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

thanks for the replay Jasate. I feel happy for bringing the 2 years old post back to the top...

And PMoz99 - guessing is not bad. Many times it leads to deduction & brainstorming... and those are never bad especially in lack of better images.
i.e. if we put all possible W.Nr.s (in case we didn't have the great scan presented above) and then experts eliminate all those that do not fit for various reasons - we could come to a precise conclusion...

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

Milos, that is precisely what I did before I had access to the higher quality photograph.

What you can clearly tell from photo:
- Dora
- Late-production Mimetall camo (Possibly WNF, although unlikely, but; )
- Werknummer in Mimetall font
- Numbers 61 can be clearly seen, 50061x, last digit has a round shape
- 500613 and 500618 are already well-documented JG26 Doras, both "Black 10"
- Barring any dark smudge or similar distorting factor below the last digit, only option left is 500610

Of course, always better to be sure.

Naturally, less compressed and higher resolution photographs are more than welcome, in any case.

Re: Latest Ebay stuff: Captured Fw 190 D-9 and He 111 in Plauen, Saxony
 

I believe we would need a good Fw 190 database. With two amazing double volume books from Eagle Editions & JaPo - we have things quite sorted when it comes to Doras... Now if a group of people would sit and do similar thing regarding the A/F/Gs (combined with Dora and Ta 152s) and eventually in open source approach where people could contribute with their data - wouldn't that be an amazing thing.

Then deduction would be even easier.
For instance I only have secondary sources & no databases of my own and digging to find about 500618 (which for me in one moment looked like correct W.Nr.) would take time. If there is a database - make an input and vuala!

I have to bring all the books over to China, bringing a suitcase or half every time I visit home or someone comes visiting.

Best
M