P38 crash Dartmoor 26/01/43 info needed
 

A new one on me but a Can anyone help with information about Second Lieutenant Jerome L Foreman, who died when his P-38 crashed on Dartmoor in Devon, England, in 1943. I believe he crashed on January 26, but was not found until March 1. His body was removed from Brookwood Cemetry, England, to LA in 1948. Foreman had left RAF Portreath (Cornwall)to fly possibly to North Africa, but for some reason turned back and crashed on the moor. I'm afraid I don't know the serial number of the aircraft or where it actually crashed on Dartmoor. There is very little information on this aircraft so any help would be good.

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Danny
This has been asked before on 12OCH-search Foreman's name

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A little here:
http://www.ww2research.com/pec-events/foreman-jerome-l/

Foreman, Jerome L., 2nd LT, 82nd Fighter Squadron, 78th Fighter Group, crashed 1/27/43 near Princetown, Devon, U.K., correspondence in file from mother stating that she learned of her son’s award of the Distinguished Flying Cross through the LA Times (Los Angeles, CA)

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This next link gives a "possible" serial number of the P-38 as 43-2182

http://raf-112-squadron.org/78thfghonor_roll_mto.html

Re: P38 crash Dartmoor 26/01/43 info needed
 

Hi
My old thread
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...highlight=p-38
cheers
Jerry

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Hello Jerry,

I think that I sent you this some time ago, but in case I overlooked it -
http://gijew.com/memorial/worldwarii/

Also the losses for the months January, February and March '43.

serials were:
1-1-43 - 41-2392 - Acc, California, USA.
1-1-43 - 43-2283 - 329 FG - Acc California, USA.
1-1-43 - 43-2314 - Acc California, USA.
2-1-43 - 41-2079 - Acc Alaska, USA.
2-1-43 - 41-2164 - F4 - Acc Colorado, USA.
6-1-43 - 43-2041 - F/A, USA.
9-1-43 - 42-12802 (Ireland).
10-1-43 - 41-2062 - California, USA.
13-1-43 - 1 FG - 42-12882 - UK.
15-1-43 - 13 PS - 42-12920 pilot Burnett, Kenneth V., killed - Sal.
17-1-43 - 42-12725 - UK, Browne, Frederick W. But see 17th March 1943 ?
20-1-43 - 43-2301 - Acc USA.
21-1-43 - 41-2119 - F/A, USA.
23-1-43 - 42-12712 - 49 FG - Stanton, Richard B.
23-1-43 - 43-2167 - UK - Lovera, Arthur S.
24-1-43 - 43-2178 - UK - Chavis, Wayne M.
24-1-43 - 43-2310 - Acc California, USA.
25-1-43 - 43-2299 - Acc Utah, USA.
26-1-43 - 78 FG - 41-7576 - MACR 3210 - Donald S. Beals.
26-1-43 - 78 FG - 42-12905 - Collision - pilot Perry, Henry L. killed - Sal.
26-1-43 - 78 FG - 42-12928 - Collision - pilot White, Stephan L. killed - Sal.
26-1-43 - 43-2148 - Portugal - Rope, Richard L.
27-1-43 - Solomons - Shaw, William S.
27-1-43 - Solomons - McDaniel, Norris D.
29-1-43 - 43-2319 - Acc Washington, USA, pilot Murphy, William W.
30-1-43 - 41-1995 - Oregon, USA.- Ayers, Jerry H.
30-1-43 - 42-12799 - California, USA.- Dusard, Leo F.jr.
30-1-43 - 43-2262 - Acc California, USA. - Fisher, Rodney W.
31-1-43 - North Africa - Decker, Harold R. 2Lt.
31-1-43 - North Africa - Knell, William A. 2Lt.
31-1-43 - North Africa - Pratt, Leonard E. 2Lt.
31-1-43 - North Africa - Young, Robert H. 2Lt.
31-1-43 - 41-2072 - California, USA.
31-1-43 - 41-2350 - California, USA.
5-2-43 - 43-2255 - Acc California, USA.
6-2-43 - 41-2267 - F/A, USA.
12-2-43 - 42-13167 - F/A, USA.
12-2-43 - 42-13176 - F/A, USA.
12-2-43 - 41-2295 - F/A, USA.
13-2-43 - 41-2061 - F/A, USA.
14-2-43 - 41-2345 - F/A, USA.
15-2-43 - 13 PS - 42-12774 (F-5A) - Sal UK - Pilot Bierer, Earl W.
20-2-43 - 43-2194 - 49 FG - New Guinea.
20-2-43 - 43-2215 - 49 FG - New Guinea.
21-2-43 - 42-13183 - F/A, USA.
23-2-43 - 41-2386 - F/A, USA.
24-2-43 - 42-12932 - Ireland - Beam, Frederick R.
25-2-43 - either 43-2060 or 43-2960 - California USA - Pilot Jacobs, John W.jr.
25-2-43 - Solomons - Pilot Leach, Grant L.
27-2-43 - Solomons - Pilot Brown, Fred S.
28-2-43 - 78FG - 42-12988 - Sal. Pilot Vogelsong, Harry H.
28-2-43 - 42-13115 - Algeria, Pilot Gregg, John P.
2-3-43 - P-38/F-5A (possibly 43-2182 ?) - 2Lt. Jerome L. Forman ( Date found. Date of loss on or earlier than?).
2-3-43 - 8 FG - 43-2202 - Australia.
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3-3-43 - F4 - 41-2181 - F/A, USA.
3-3-43 - F4 - 41-2193 - Fatal Acc - USA.
4-3-43 - 42-12968 - F5A - F/A, USA.
4-3-43 - 43-2243 - Acc California, USA.
6-3-43 - 41-2212 - F4 - F/A, USA.
9-3-43 - 43-2253 - F/A Califoria, USA.
9-3-43 - 41-2106 - F/A, USA.
9-3-43 - 41-2278 - F/A, USA.
9-3-43 - 41-2279 - F/A, USA.
9-3-43 - 43-2307 - F/A California, USA.
10-3-43 - 43-2233 - Acc California, USA.
13-3-43 - 43-2312 - Acc Washington, USA.
14-3-43 - 43-2037 - F/A, USA.
14-3-43 - 43-2340 - Acc UK.
15-3-43 - 43-2232 - F/A California, USA.
15-3-43 - 43-2535 - F/A, USA.
17/18-3-43 - 14 FG - 42-12725 - Sal, NBD -Brown, Frederick W. (see 17-1-43 above ?).
19-3-43 - 43-2316 - Acc California, ISA.
20-3-43 - 43-2297 - Acc USA.
21-3-43 - 42-12992 - Sal.
22-3-43 - 41-2211 - F4 - F/A , USA.
24-3-43 - 42-12785 - F5A - F/A, USA.
25-3-43 - 41-2100 - F/A, USA.
26-3-43 - 41-2260 - F/A, USA.
26-3-43 - 43-2309 - Acc California, USA.
29-3-43 - 43-2207 - New Guinea.

And from the report of the finding of the wreckage etc by the Harrowbeer Base Senior Medical Officer ( a Sqdn Ldr) - " 2nd March 1943, O-730438 Lt. Foreman, J.L. killed in aircraft crash (date unknown) U.S Army Air Force. Body found near scene of crash at approx 16.45 hrs, 1st March 1943. Died from multiple injuries".
That from you Jerry in very late December 2002 Another thread ? "Mystery crash mar 43'Lt. J L Foreman USAAF".

I wonder if Forman was part of the 9 aircraft flight on the 26th ?
How could we find out How many of that flight actually arrived in Gibraltar ?

All for now
Alex

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Hi
I came to the conclusion that as 67MU recovered a p-38, '2369', a P-38 fuselage was apparently seen in '43 at harrowbeer in the scrap pound.

that possibly foreman's aircraft was 43-2369, P-38G-15-LO.

remains of his P-38 was recovered in the late 1980's by an aircraft group.

Hi Alex, you may have sent me the list,I would have to check my computer back ups, it was a while ago

I have a file of info on this P-38 crash, but it is packed somewhere.

cheers
Jerry

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Hi Chris,
Any ideas if this crash may have been the result of combat over the bay ?
cheers
Kerry

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Highly unlikely-Bay is a long way from Dartmoor & in any case there wouldn't have been a German claim as no way would they have seen it crash

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Hi Chris,
Thanks for thd reply, I was only curious as it was a Torch resupply, he was flying to north africa, presumably via Gib.
But it makes sense about no claim.
cheers
Jerry

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Hello Jerry,

Re: 43-2369, P-38G-15-LO.
It may well be the one.

But there must have been others that were lost by whatever reason in the South West of England in this time frame ?

I asked some time ago and no result as yet with regard to the P-38 or its pilot recorded on the 6th November 42 from the 27th FS, 1st FG which took off from Portreath for N.Africa but crashed and burnt out at Goonbrea Farm St.Agnes and the pilot got a broken leg .So '2369 could be this one ?
Again from the same website(rafdavidstowmoor.org) -12-1-43, Wreckage of an aircraft washed ashore at Praa Sands bearing makers plate "Lockheed Aircraft Corporation Ltd, Burbank California" may also have been '2369 ?

I assume that 67 MU may well have covered the S.West area so may well have recovered more than one P-38/F4/F5 ?

As an extra;
What of Vogelsong's crash (non fatal take off accident from Predannack) on the 28th February 1943. How many others from the 78th FG were in that flight and did all make their destination , was Foreman in this flight ?

Alex

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Hi Alex,
Yeah your right probably me being to optomistic.
Well looks like more research is needed by me :-)
Cheers
Jerry