Hurricane serial number?
 

Does anyone have a picture of the location that the serial number can be found on a Hurricane. A lend-lease Hurricane remains was found in Russia but not sure where to look for the number on the fuselage.

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Thank you udf 00 but I am looking for the manufacturing plate number inside the aircraft.

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Left side of cockpit, bolted to the top (forward) end of the strut extending from beneath the seat to the joint at the left bottom edge of the instrument panel. If you find it I would be interested to learn the manufacturer's number you find on it.

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Geoff, Thank you a lot! I will pass that information on to them.

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Geoff, I was just told that section of the plane was missing.

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Nokose,

Tell them to look at any removable panels.

http://www.lend-lease.airforce.ru/en...rricane_16.jpg

Also there is a plate on the leading edge of the wing.

http://www.lend-lease.airforce.ru/en...rricane_19.jpg

regards

Mark

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Nokose,
A pity if it's missing. That part is in the core of the aircraft's structure. So, are you dealing with a substantial section or just fragmented wreckage? Either way it leaves Mark's 'removable panel' suggestion as the way ahead.

Mark,
I'm not aware of a plate on the wing leading edge, just stencil marks. Are you suggesting that the Z5252 plate in your photo came from there?

Regards
Geoff

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Geoff,

From what I recall, the plate was on the starboard side inboard of the outer wing panel. It was 10 years ago. I never knew there was a plate here either! I will try and look through the photos I have.
regards

Mark

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Hello Mark, I was informed that the outer "skin" was stripped away from the aircraft leaving the frame. They have contacted the person who recovered the Hurricane in the pictures but hoping to maybe find something buried or at the scene now. They have all the known Hurricane losses but no way to connect to it. As I've noticed for some reason the German pilots many times referred to Hurricanes in Russia as "MiG-3" on shooting them down.

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Hello,
"A lend-lease Hurricane remains was found in Russia".
How do you know if it was a Lend-Lease Hurricane ?
Does the location exclude say, Finish or Rumanian Air Force Hurricanes ?
Alex

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Alex, This group only recovers aircraft and pilot remains around the Moscow region. No Finns and Rumanians there.

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Nokose,
Did they find the large stainless steel joints which join the fuselage to the engine supports? See picture below. The number is sometimes found there.
Regards
Geoff

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Geoff, The number that is there I was told is a Tech. number and not a serial number. The Hurricane is probably a fighter of the 179 IAP which they have all the losses for 1942 but it appears to have been a forced landing that was stripped down since it came down.

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Nokose, the stainless steel parts of that joint will be full of tech numbers (part numbers and inspection marks) but did they look at the tops of those joints where the vertical steel tube has an aluminium 'plug' in the top end. Sometimes the plugs give the identity, but not always.
Were the inspection marks Hawker, Gloster or CC&F? Knowing that doesn't give you an identity but it does narrow the possibilities a little.
Regards
Geoff

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Hello Comrades, watch please photos of this Hurricane.
Place of an emergency landing. Also on our base.
Joint which specified Geoff Rayner earlier is broken - main "schild" [plate] is at the moment not found. We are waiting for when spring comes when snow thaws.
Numbers on the second joint which showed Geoff Rayner. HA431 - inspection marks Hawker? About what these numbers speak?
Somewhere else there can be information numbers? Show on a photo better.
Thanks for your help.
Best regards,
Kirill

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Hello Kirill,
Look on the top of the joint (both of them) in your photo number 4. An aluminium 'plug' fills the top of the vertical steel tube. As this is a Hawker built MkII aircraft it is unlikely you will find the identity there, but it is worth looking.
The HA431 inspection stamp tells you nothing about the aircraft's identity. It is just the quality control mark of that particular piece. Do you see HA inspection stamps on other stainless steel joint pieces as well?
Regards
Geoff

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Here?

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Yes

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Geoff thanks, on Sunday we will look again.
Then also I will look on inspection stamp. On a detail with number A76753 there is inspection stamp - round (above an arch - ??CO, below a row - 156).
The limit in the photo at a forum is reached

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Kirche,
That inspection stamp will be from another company (not Hawker) who made that particular part.
Photos. Are you saying the forum will not allow any more of your photos? How many photos have you posted? Post #16 has 4, and post #18 has one. I don't think that should be over the limit.
Regards
Geoff

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Geoff, unfortunately the identification number aren't found. There where you showed there are only two inspection marks of HA 413 (on each detail)
Hawker inspection oval marks are generally filled everywhere (on each detail different figures). Only on two small details there are inspection round marks of PSCO (155 and 156).
But on a place of landing there were many small details (now they froze in soil) - will hope that the main plate remained there (when broke out a chair it had to break off).
Best regards, Kirill

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Geoff, The part number that was found was HA413. Still no serial number.

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Nokose, the numbers after HA just refer to the inspection of the part and so are of no use for the identity. By 'still no serial number' I assume that means they have now looked where suggested and found nothing. PM sent.
Geoff

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Kirche, for some unknown reason I didn't see your post #22 and responded to Nokose's #23 instead.
So, definitely a Hawker build. The PSCO inspection marks will be on parts from a sub-contractor, probably the Pressed Steel Company. Taking the seat out should not affect the identity plate, but two stainless steel tubes make a V shape from under the seat to the joint (on either side of the aircraft) where the plate is attached. Those tubes have been crudely removed and with the left side one has gone the identity plate. It is possible that unwanted parts like the identity plate might have been 'cleaned' off the more attractive stainless steel tubes and discarded if the objective was metal salvage. You might be lucky when the ground thaws, but it looks as though the stripping has been thorough; so thorough that I see no reason why the salvagers should leave behind any detachable aluminium panels either. Time will tell. PM sent.
With regards
Geoff

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Thanks Geoff, I understand everything. Also I tell to Nokose thanks for the help.
be in touch,
Kirill