Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

Dear all,

From an expired Ebay-auction, can anybody identify the unit and the decorated pilot (an Oblt) of Do 217 K-1 W.Nr. 4412? (See attached pictures)

Personally I'm thinking of KG6, as 1./KG66 lost a "sister" aircraft (W.Nr. 4408) on 1 July 1943 near Orléans which still carried the KG6 aircraft code (3E+MZ)...Ideas anyone?

Thanks in advance,

Marcel

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Hi Marcel,

I think it might be KG 2 as the officer in photo No.3 looks very like the KG 2 CO, Walter Bradel.

Regards, Sean.

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

Gents,

possibly the following might be of interest

http://www.lostaircraft.com/database...ewentry&e=1582

Best Regards
Norbert

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

Doesn't look like Bradel who did not have the DKiG. He would have had the RK (awarded 17 Sep 41) by this time

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Hi Chris,

Not the seated, decorated officer but the " officer in photo No.3 " ?

Regards, Sean.

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

Ah-your 3 differed from mine. Possibly

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

....no doubt, Chris.

Regards, Sean.

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

This Do 217K-1 W/Nr 4412 was from Stab/KG 2 at Soesterberg .
Was lost in July 1943 for the British coast.
See e.g. http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.co.uk/styled-15/styled-20/styled-240/index.html

Jaap

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

Decorated pilot possibly Hermann Hogeback ?

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This is not him either & in any case he didn't fly with KG 2 (assuming the photos are linked). My guess is he was an NCO pilot in Spain (hence Spanish Cross) and commissioned/awarded DKiG?

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

Gents, thanks a lot for your input! A pity it wasn't KG6 i.e. people who possibly transferred from that unit to I./KG66, as I was hoping initially...(I'm still a bit light on the earlier period of I./KG66. As hardly anybody survived from that era to make it to the postwar Treffen (reunions), any pictures or names would have been welcome...)

With hindsight, a blessing in disguise that I didn't win this auction, then ;)

Regards,

Marcel

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

The aircraft is Do217K-1 UB+BA wnr 4412 Stab./KG2. I believe Bradel (Kdre II/KG2) is centre on p3. The aircraft was shot down off Spurn Head by Beau. from 604 Sqdn, Scorton on night of 25-26 July 1943 when the crew was Uffz Max Reuthe FF; Uffz Siegfried Ludwig BO; UFFz Heinrich Böning BF; Obgfr. Willi Schürleien BS. Pic must have been taken some time before 4-5 May 1943, because Bradel was killed in an air crash that night. Bill Norman ((www.billnorman.co.uk)

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I think that the last photograph shows Oblt. Hain - don't have his first name.

Bill Norman
(www.billnorman.co.uk)

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

Thanks Bill! So, it was indeed the same timeframe.

Marcel

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According to Balke, no such person with KG 2 had DKiG but there was an Oblt Albert Hein from 5/KG 2 but he was a Beobachter-typically we cannot see if he is that or something else!

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Chris,
I was given 'Hain' s name some years ago by Albert Schliebner, who served as ground crew with KG2. Hain or Hein, at least it's close enough to suggest we are talking about the same person - narrows it down a bit for Marcel, at least. Albert went on to say that Hain/Hein ' war Spezi für Schiffe' (Ship attack specialist?) but didn't identify that AH was a pilot.
Anyone know who bought the pics?

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Could be. He was also the Ia but lost on a standard bombing mission on 18 Apr 44 as opposed to anti-shipping (which was something I thought that KG 2 left to other units after 1940?). Odd I cannot seem to find his name on Larry & Doug's list-Hain, Hein or Heine?

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Accoding to ADI(K) report 180/1944 B Oblt.Albert Hein b.13-04-1916 'Had been in KG2 for some time. He had fought in the Spanish war and wore the Spanish Cross and the Deutches Kreuz'. ADI(K) 192/1944 indicates Hein was anxious to earn the RK having completed 290 operations, it also shows his aircraft U5+KN carried a light bomb load of 10 x BC50 and 4 x LC 50 white as it was acting as a backer up to the target markers (18/19-04-1944 Ju188 U5+KN shot down near Dymchurch Kent Oblt. Hein and pilot killed 3 pows),

Brian Bines

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Perhaps he hasn't yet made it to the L + D list - but he is on Balke's list (Der Luftkrieg in Europa. Teil2 p486 18/19.04.1944). Re. ship attacks, Balke (Teil2 11.01-18.011942 page 76) suggests that KG2 was -at least occasionally - involved in anti-ship ops in Jan. 1942.

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Sounds like a match then!

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Gentlemen,

Thanks a lot! What a nice result for a long shot, great thread!

PS Bill, I couldn't see on Ebay who won the auction and most sellers are (of course) reluctant to disclose details of buyers..

Re: Do 217 K-1 WNr 4412 unit and pilot identification
 

Pity. I could have given the buyer of the pictures a little more information. Perhaps if he reads this he will get in touch. Pleased to have been of help, Marcel.

Bill N.