Kampfgeschwader 4 "General Wever" crew details
 

Still after a few more details to aircrew if anyone can add anymore info :

Lt Bernhard Metzmacher : 4/KG 4 - 1941
2/KG 4 - 1942
DKiG - 24/6/43
Promoted Oblt 43
Stab. KG 4 10/43 - 3/44

Uffz Otto Groper : WIA 8/2/42


OFw Kurt Hell : DKiG 15/10/42
WIA 29/10/42

OFw Heinz Moller : DKiG 4/1/43
Possibly KIA 2/3/44 in Estonia

Uffz ? Berger , I know this one is a long shot but he was in a He 111 with Oblt Ulrich Knauth , OFw Johann Schumm , OFw Kurt Hell and OFw Heinz Moller on a raid to Newark on Trent 7/3/41

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I have

Metzmacher, Bernhard Bo Oblt (24/6/43) DKiG 24/6/43 II./KG 4

Hell, Kurt ? Stfw (15/10/42) DKiG 15/10/42 6./KG 4

Möller, Heinz Bf Obfw (4/1/43) DKiG 4/1/43 6./KG 4

All from Andy Fletcher's DKiG database (see http://www.wiki.luftwaffedata.co.uk/...itle=Downloads

Not much extra and a little confusing with regard to units.

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Thanks Andy unfortunately I can't open that file format but had seen DKiG awarding on WW2awards.com.

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With Uffz Otto Groper being WIA 8/2/42 the other 3 crew were killed. Lt Rudolph , Uffz Hahn and Hans Schwarz when He 111 5J+JH was hit by flak near Shchekotets. If he was invalided out the service would there be anyway of tracing this through either military or civil records. Is there a database of wound badge recipients ? Same with Kurt Hell.

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Noggin,

If you go back to the downloads page you will find a pdf version of the file there now (fully searchable). Its a straight export from the .xls format file.

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Shaun

No database of wound recipients-it would be massive. Again, if the person was not a casualty, the chances of an easy trace are very hard. Records are available but it costs time, money and luck-10 years ago would have been easy (if they still exist) but with Data Protection, it has become very hard Remember we are talking 75 years ago......

Chris

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Thanks , I think this search is at an end then unless I stumble on some data by more luck than judgement again. I've ordered that book Chronik Kampfgeschwader 4 General Wever by Karl Gundelach which had Lt Rudolph's account of his forced land , so there maybe fingers crossed some other gems in there. It's in German so it may take me sometime but least the names should be in the index with any luck.

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1942-10-19, 10./KG 4, He 111 P-4, 3073, 5J+CU, Argent-sur-Sauldre, 55 km südöstlich Orléans, Notlandung infolge Motorstörung. Bruch 80 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Kamphausen, Rudolf, verletzt
Beobachter Lt Metzmacher, Bernhard, verletzt
Bordschütze Gefr Keule, Helmut, verletzt

1944-03-03, Stab KG 4, He 111 H-20, 700014, 5J+BA, Wassilkow, 5 km nördlich Bialystok, Unbekannt. Bruch ? %.
Kampfbeobachter Olt Metzmacher, Bernhard, verletzt

1942-02-08, 1./KG 4, He 111 H-6, 4594, 5J+JH, Bei Tschekotz, 16 km östlich Staraja Russa, Vermutlich Flakbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Rudolph, Günter, +
Kampfbeobachter Ogfr Schwarz, Hans, +
Bordfunker Uffz Gröper, Otto, verletzt
Bordschütze Uffz Hahn, Burghard, +

1942-09-29, 6./KG 4, He 111 H-6, 7763, 5J+JP, 50 km östlich Sytschewka, Flakbeschuß. Bruch 70 %.
Bordmechaniker Stfw Hell, Kurt, verletzt

Possibly this Berger:
1942-08-01, 6./KG 4, He 111 H-6, 7143, 5J+GP, 3 km nördlich Rshew, Notlandung. Bruch ? %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Lorenz, Ernst, verletzt
Beobachter Fw Flemmig, Herbert, verletzt
Bordfunker Ofw Eisermann, Edwin, verletzt
Bordschütze Uffz Berger, Ernst, verletzt

Matti

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Matti you are a star thanks.

Shaun

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Had a look on Kracker Luftwaffe Archive found a few Berger's on there but none in KG4. Only Ernst Berger to show up was in 8KG-77 kia 2/22/43 in Ju 88A-4 Werk # 142343 @ Piacenza Emilia-Romagna Italy.

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Berger is a fairly common name

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Yes , think there was 44 on the list and quiet a few more when you start looking through the individual cemeteries books of WW2 remembrance.

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Found a little more on Kurt Hell ; 2. Flughafenbetriebskompanie

Hptm. Dr. Hans Bultmann 1/9/42 - 10/44
Oblt. Kurt Hell 15/10/44 - 8/5/45.

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Lt Bendhard Metzmacher looking into camera with Reichsmarschall Goring 16th October 1940 from Rudolphs crew. Soesterberg airfield.

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Obfw Johann Schumm far left. Obfw Kurt Hell 2nd right part of Knauth's crew.

Kampfgeschwader 4 "General Wever" crew details
 

noggin

Can you please confirm is it Johann Schumm the furthest to the left of the image in side-on profile, or the man in the schwimmwester with the fair hair standing next to him?

Regards Richard.

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The caption on the photo translates to far left.