Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Does anybody have info about a loss of a unknown German fighter -pilot on the april 7th 1945 in the area of Groningen [Northern part Netherlands].
Pilot killed .Sadly there is no more information
The crash is not mentioned in database sglo.

Regards harrie

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Harrie,

It is the first time that I have heard of a fighter crash so late in the war in that area. I have my doubts.....however, if you could share more info I can do a check in my records if I can find any leads;

1) Can precise the location a little bit?
2) How do you know the date for sure? Source?
3) How do you know the pilot was killed? Records?
4) Was the pilot buried, possibly as unknown? If so where?

Regards,

John

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Thinking of where the German front lines were by 7 April (two weeks after Montgomery's armies crossed the Rhine) I wonder what a fighter would be doing over Holland? Most of the Luftwaffe's efforts in the northern sector on this date seem to have been against the British bridge head at Lauenburg on the Elbe.

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Hi John ,Nick

It was also a little strange to me that,s why i put it here ,but in the book of M. Huizinga met de blik naar boven says on 7-4-45 . At Zuidlaren crashes a German fighter ,pilot killed in de community of Anloo .This is the only text about it .
No NVM for that date ?

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Hello Harrie, Nick and John,

the 7th of April 1945 was the day of the ramming attacks of the "Sonderkomando Elbe".
All other units must stay at there basis. There was only one Me262 unit from Kaltenkirchen south of Hamburg shorty in action.
If the crashed plane was a Messerschmitt Bf109 it can be only from Sonderkomando Elbe!
There are six Flugzeugführer (Pilots) still missing from that day.
I had searched at lot for the missing ones in northern Germany and stay in contact to the German Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge e.V.

Please look over any further information at your area in the Netherlands
for this crash.
Please ask older people in the town Anloo for any information or a grave.

Best wishes
Ruediger

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Hello again,

please remark that a RAF Spitfire crashed at Zuidlaren at 2nd of February 1945.

One German Bf109 was destroyed at ground at Twente airport at 7th of April 1945.

Best regards
Ruediger

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Harrie,

I suggest you contact the autor and check where this information comes from.

regards,

John

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Gentleman,

Unfortunately the author of the book has passed away ,i,ve tried to approach some people around the publisher .On that particular date/period the french paratroopers has landed in that area and there where locals shot by german troops, so it will be difficult to check information ,but nevertheless we can give it try to search for older local people.
On the other hand i can,t imagine this is a hoax .
The spitfire crash 2-2-45 is known and well documented .
I try to spend some time about this case.

Regards harrie

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Database of Allied and Axis Aircraft losses in Netherlands
http://www.studiegroepluchtoorlog.nl/welcome/
looked at Groningen in database
http://verliesregister.studiegroeplu...ek-Locatie.php

I suggest you get in touch with webmaster and place your query there
Might be of help

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

have placed query link at
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=49&t=215903

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Harrie,

I checked my files and books and I believe the story in this book comes originally from "1945, Drentsche Kroniek van het bevrijdingsjaar" by Mr. G.A.Bontekoe originally published in 1947. It was reprinted later. In there it is stated in Dutch;

"7.4.1945: Op 1 km ten NW van Anloo valt een Duitse piloot dood wegens weigering van zijn parachute. Toestel stort neer in Zuidlaren".

Well, this gives me basically two thoughts;

1) There was heavy fighting going on around that time in that area and parachute might be indicating Fallschirmjäger which were also active as ground forces. So, I think we might have been misled here.

2) However, on the remainder the book is accurate on aircraft losses (date and location), so why would it be different.

The answer is probably in the community files of Zuidlaren. Check the burial records of the germans who were buried there. That might give you a clue.

regards,

John

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Hi John,

Thank you for replying, I will check the burial records of Zuidlaren,another possibility could be community of Anloo, but first Zuidlaren.
I keep in touch.

regards harrie

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Hello all,
Recently i followed John,s advice and Rutger,s and i maybe have a clue/match for 7 april 1945 loss.
Idid some field-work at the community and found a flieger from fliegerhorst Kaufbeuren.
I don,t know is there a protocoll for this cases ?.
At this time it.s not my intention to give names according to privacy on the net.
Can anybody give advice ??.

Regards harrie

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

May be it is wise to check Huizinga's archive in the Regional Historical Centre Groningen archives.
See www.groningerarchieven.nl

Jaap

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Harrie,

Please be aware that at the former Kriegslazarett Zuidlaren (Dennenoord) some 138 dead Germans were buried who were all transferred to Ysselsteyn in 1947. The majority were killed from March 15th till April 30th (~91). In general 50% of these men were from Fallschirmjäger or Fliegerregimente and had nothing to do with air units.

You can verify names on the VDK Datenbank. The graves at ysselsteyn are AU-1 till AU-138.

I have no graves at the former community of Anloo.

Regards,

John

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

I have additional info from the grabmeldung maybe this is a clue-

Truppenteil a./Flg.Ers.Btl.7 Kaufbeuren

Dienstgrad -Flieger
Tod durch feindliche fliegerbeschuss -schadelzertrummerung .
todestag 7-4-1945
The VDK Datenbank has no succes.

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

That is not a pilot. It's a Luftwaffe soldier killed on the ground.

Re: Loss German fighter 7-4-1945
 

Hi Gentlemen , especially Rudiger Kaufmann, John Manr0
At this moment there are some new-clues wich indicate that it is not a hoax. By much conversations and locals Association resulting in personal clues that indeed a German Fighter crashed on that perticular day . It was the same area and almost same day Operation Amherst started and German troops get involved with French sticks . The question is : Can it be possible that on that day a single german Bf-109 could fly to the Groningen /Zuidlaren area ???? , or anotherone from Fliegerhorst Eelde not a bf109.
The area were talkin about is preserved area . Hope to hear some advice

Kindly regards harrie