|
Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
1 Attachment(s)
Hi all
Can someone explain what this means? 2 Officers/14 OR is all I can figure out. Many thanks! All the best Andreas |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Andreas -
1. Funkgerät III FUG was the authorized and commonly used Luftwaffe abbreviation for Funkgerät, according to: A.I. 12/British Air Ministry. Manual of German Air Force Terminology, German - English, Administrative and General Terms. 1945/46. But what was it? I do not know with certainty but I suspect it was a Trupp of air-to-ground radio teams mounted in half-tracks or the like that acted as forward air controllers. I am guessing the Roman "III" was the type of radio set used. Alternatively, the "III" may indicate that they were mounted in Pz.Kpfw. III's. L. |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
I think there be confusion FuG and FUG
"Funk Ubung (Uberwachung) Gruppe" ????? Therefore "1. (Staffeln) FUG (Gruppen) III |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Thanks to both of you! I think Ed is on to something. :) These guys were part of Sonderverband 288, in 1941.
All the best Andreas |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
My guess would be that the 1 and the III represent sub-unit and parent unit respectively: Kompanie/Abteilung or Abteilung/Regiment (I can't remember the convention for use of Arabic and Roman numerals in ground units). I agree with Larry that the FUG bit is probably the usual Funkgerät.
|
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Quote:
|
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Yes, I know, I graduated from "German 101" in school (but waaaaaay back), meant write "Übung/Überwachung" but FuG had lowercase, not uppercase.
|
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Quote:
The all-capital FUG could just be an error of course, but does anyone know a unit that would fit? So it would be 3rd Radio (something?) Regiment. Did that exist? All the best Andreas |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
A few additional snippets that may aid a final determination:
Funk-Überwachungs-Abt. der Luftflotte 2 (not formed until August 1944) Ln.-Funk-Überwachungs-Kp. z.b.V. 1 (formed in 1941 and served in the Balkans, but could have had detachments in North Africa) Ln.-Funk-Überwachungs-Kp. z.b.V. 2 (formed in 1941 and served in the Balkans, but could have had detachments in North Africa) Ln.-Funk-Überwachungs-Kp. z.b.V. 3 (formed in 1942 and appears to have served in Germany, Austria and elsewhere in Central Europe) These units operated RDF (radio direction finding) Trupps that were responsible for identifying and locating enemy radio transmitters. They operated under the tactical control of the OKW radio countermeasures branch of Amt Ausland Abwehr and worked hand-in-hand with the Gestapo in the field. Sources: NARA T-313 roll 488 frame 457; CSDIC P/W interrogation report A.492 dated 27.11.1944. It's the nature of their mission that would pretty well preclude their use in North Africa, which was not infested with Allied-led guerrilla groups and agents in Tripoli and other cities that were operating secret transmitters, at least in comparison to Greece and Yugoslavia. L. |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
AndreasB wrote in part:
Quote:
Companies in Arabic, Battalions and Abteilungen in Roman, and Regiments in Arabic? What unit would it be? Cannot tell from the little information that is provided. Exactly where was this unit and what is the date of this document? What are the contextual particulars surrounding it's appearance on this document? What command or other authority prepared and issued the document? L. |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Quote:
|
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Quote:
Brainfart, sorry, of course you are right. So this would be 1. Kp. 3rd Battalion. Quote:
2. It had come over with Sperrverband Daumiller as an emergency measure. Sperrverband Daumiller was an element of Sonderverband 288, which was originally established for use in Iraq, but came to late for that campaign. It is possible this unit was either attached to it on arrival (in which case it might have belonged to Luftnachrichtenregiment 4, which had a detachment in North Africa?), or it was already part of it. At the time there was serious concern about the LRDG strikes and enemy patrols deep behind the Axis lines, where this unit operated. Bit more detail here 3. It was prepared by the staff of 90th Light Division. All the best Andreas |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Maybe radio monitoring unit (equvilent to Y-Service)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cberwachung http://www.freeware-tipps.ch/flightr...berwachen.html Rasmussen sounds a bit Danish ? |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Found a similar sign in the record (Akte) 62 in Findbuch OKH 12451 in the German -Russian document Project, Taktishe Zeichen des Heeres, Luftwaffe und Kriegsmarine and given as Funkstelle der Luftwaffe.
|
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
That's excellent, many thanks!
All the best Andreas |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
AndreasB -
So we have 1. Funkstelle III appearing in a 90. leichte Div. Kriegsgliederung of mid-December 1941. Is it off to the side of the page all by itself, or does it seem to be attached to one of the larger units on the page? Does the page show a "III. Btl." of something? If not, then the "III" may well represent the III./Ln.-Rgt. 2 or III./Ln.-Rgt. 40, much more likely the latter. In the functional KStN of a Luftnachrichten-Rgt., the III. Abt. was always the Funkhorch Abteilung and all of the Kompanien assigned to it were Funkhorch-Kpn. Ln.-Rgt. 2 was just arriving in Italy and Sicily in Dec 41, coming from Russia. On the other hand, Ln.-Rgt. 40 belonged to X. Fliegerkorps and was already located in Greece in mid-1941 and did in fact send a lot of detachments to North Africa. So now, if it is from III./Ln.-Rgt. 40, it would be some sort of a small radio intercept unit. But this is all speculation as the "III" may be something entirely different. L. |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
1 Attachment(s)
Thanks a lot Larry. Here is the full document for context. I think LN40 seems most likely then, given that SV Daumiller flew over from Greece.
All the best Andreas |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Quote:
|
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Just speculating ...
It has dot at end ("FUG.") indicating an abbrevation, to me saying it may be up to three words (Funk, Flug, Fern), Ueberwachung (!) but the G eludes me. The F part (for Funkstelle) seems right to me. |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Yes, the period after the "G" does muddy the water.
I also find it strange that the entire bottom row shows the number of semi-independent Züge attached to the Regiment, except for the Luftwaffe unit. This leads me to conclude that the period after the "1." is a typo and there is a good reason for that. In an Ln.-Rgt., 1. Kp. was a Betriebs-Kp. and was always under the I. Abt. Never under the III. Abt. Secondly, if all the others in the row are without a period and simply indicate the number of Züge of that particular type, then why is the Luftwaffe one different? Lastly, organic Züge were numbered with Roman numerals and not Arabic numbers. So the first Zug in a Kompanie would be written as "I. Zug/3. Kp. d. III. Btl." L. |
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Seeing the whole thing, I think the piece you asked about represents a Zug (platoon) and so the numbers may denote a strength of 2 officers and 14 men.
|
Re: Unit ID help - 1./FUG III
Hi Nick
I have begun to wonder about that as well, it being a platoon, but not sure what would have been in LW nomenclature. The 2/14 I expected to be Off/OR All the best Andreas |
| All times are GMT +2. The time now is 09:40. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net