Bf109E Crash date
 

Hi Guys,

Would anybody know the crash date of bf109E Werk Nr. 2579 or any related information of the incident.

Many Thanks

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

There must be an error in your source - the WNr. 2579 was a Bf 109D.

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

W.Nr. 2579 was reported as a Bf 109D of J.G.103 lost on 21.08.1944
at Stolp-Reitz airfield. Crashed 70% killing the pilot Flg. Helmut Sallein.
Info thanks to ahs.no and the efforts of Andreas Brekken and Johan Petersen.

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Hi Guys,

Many thanks for the replies. I only assumed Emil but if your records state 109D (Dora) Then I stand corrected. Great information.

Thanks again

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Hi, I went on Google maps to look where the area is and there does not seem to be a place called Stolp-Reitz?
Where would that place be?

Thanks again

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Now Redzikowo east of Slupsk in Polish Pomerania.

Regards

Roland F

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Bf109E WNr.2579 was for the Yougoslavian Airforce as L-96
Source
http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/yugo...ypes/me109.htm

Peter van Gogh

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Hi Peter,

FYI, the info about the Yugoslav Emils on the site you provided link for has nothing to do with reality. There was obviously a mix up of allocated line of military serial numbers beginning with 2501 and W.Nr.

Cheers,
Boris

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Wasn´t the Yougoslav numbering system quite different from the German Werknummern system? The original L-61 was WNr. 2372. The Yougoslav No. would be 2559.

Regards

RolandF

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

At first Yugoslav Emils got only the "L" individual number beginning with L-1 and so on. This was applied in Regensburg during production. They also had an ordinary W.Nr. but unfortunately only few of these are known. Before being delivered in 1939-1940 few (probably two) planes were lost and these were not replaced. That lead to the first interruption in the line of "L" numbers. In the spring 1940 Yugoslav AF introduced a new system of military serials and allocated the line beginning with 25 to Emils (2501 and so on). These were painted on aircraft which already had the individual "L" numbers on the fuselage. Some aircraft, possibly the first 15-20 machines, had the serial and individual number in correlation (L-1 was 2501, L-2 was 2502 etc.), however, later the connection between the individual and serial number dissapeared (L-46 was 2543). This goes especially for the later batches, as from 100 ordered aircraft only 73 were delivered and those that were delivered did not came with individual numbers one after the other, but rather as they were finished. So for example, L-88 was delivered to Yugoslavia, but the mentioned L-61 was not. I hope I was not too confusing.

Cheers,
Boris

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

An RLM document showing "Luftwaffenbeute Jugoslawien 1941" give the following info about the Bf 109 Aircraft captured;

At Pancevo airfield Bf 109E-1 W.Nr. 4869 and Bf 109E-4 W.Nr. 4049, 4114 and 5585, all together four aircraft.

At Ragnjevac airfield Bf 109E-3 W.Nr. 2323, 2348 and 2414, all together three Aircraft.

At Krusedol airfield four unspecified aircraft, possibly only fuselages.

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Planes from Pancevo were actually from JG 54. Ragnjevac is for Kragujevac and those are their actual W.Nr.

Cheers,
Boris

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Hi to all,

difficulties in finding Werke nummern of Yugoslav Emils, add the fact that Luftwaffe seized 25 aircraft from Yugoslav batch of 100 aeroplane, before they were delivered to kingdom of Yugoslavia. But, we also don't know W.Nr of that planes.

kind regards

Newcomer

Re: Bf109E Crash date
 

Thanks for your information guys. Very Much appreciated.