"Losses of the 8th and 9th AF"/Bishop
 

Any reviews on this book (size, content etc)? This book was listed by Rudi Penker´s e-mail newsletter.

Losses of the 8th and 9th AAFs
 

Jukka:

This book is A4 size, 542 pages on nice glossy paper. It covers, in this Volume 1, losses of the 8th and 9th AAFs from the start of the 8th's operation in 1942 through December 1943. The losses of the 12th AAF are also covered while it was in England. Lastly, the USN aircraft losses are also included.

The book is based mainly on MACR and apparently supplemented by unit records and personal data. The losses are arranged, chronalogically by month, bombers, then fighters. Each loss gives S/N, markings and name (if existing) crew names, rank, etc. and circumstances of the loss, where known. At the begining of each months listings there is a brief summary overview of the month's activities.

There are a number of photos, both familiar and not so familiar. However, this is not a modeler's book, but exactly what it says, loss records. You can find similar records in Project Bits And Pieces as well as Schieffer's books, but the former is very expensive. Also, this is the first time, to my knowledge anyone has compiled and published 9th AAF losses.

The book is not cheap, but it is worth it IMHO.

Losses/Bishop
 

Hi,

Yes a Great Book

To me it is well worth the price

I am looking forward to the Second part

There must be one planned

Covering 1944 - 1945

Alex

Losses
 

Well, if you want a reference on losses of the 8th and 9th AF, this is the best. Although I am a little biased....I know Jan Hey very well, living about 40 kilometres from where I live.... Anyway, the info goes further than MACR's. In many cases exact crash locations and sometimes info on burial locations is given. Cheers, John.

Do the book only show operationnal losses or also crashes in UK and so on (for wich there are usually no MACR) ?

Any idea of the price ?

Losses
 

Laurent:

It shows all losses, even a/c which were salvaged. It is quite complete. Amazon UK shows it at 59 English pounds.

Recommended
 

Hi Laurent,

I can also recommend the book.

It lists all crew members, a/c serials, circumstances of loss.

Also includes 12AF losses whilst operating from UK and USN losses (FAW7).

At £59 I think it's well worth the price.

Best Regards

Andy Fletcher

'Losses of the US 8th and 9th AIR FORCES' is worth its money - every cent of it. I am looking forward to the next volume!
But .... the pictures are quite bad. They are blurred and not well done. It is a pity with such a great book and probably falls back on the printer/publisher.
And ofcause there is a small error (there always are in big books) - Marienburg was not bombed on the 8th of October 1943 (page 391).

Besides that I strongly recommend the book and hope that people will buy the book so that the next volume can come out.
Carsten

8/9/12 AF losses
 

Gentlemen,

Anyone out there having this book who can tell me if there are any losses of T-6 Texans mentioned ? Just wondering if already in this period T-6s were used by the Fighter and Bomber Groups. If yes, please let me know.

Regards,

Benno T6 Goethals, Netherlands

The a/c was known as the AT-6...
 

...then, by the USAAF and Harvard by the British. A quick look at the extensive appendices in the book on losses by a/c type and groups indicates none were lost, although several other British types are listed.

I would suspect that much of the AT-6/Harvard numbers were in Canada and other places under the Empire Training scheme.

T-6 in the ETO
 

You are correct, not that many used in the ETO; only a few of them. Most likely those only served during 1944/1945. Was trying to find out that in particular, and serials of course.

Regards,

Benno

Re: "Losses of the 8th and 9th AF"/Bishop
 

Losses of 8th and 9th Air Force Volume 2 (Jan to March 1944)
By Bishop/Hey
East Anglia books is advertising this for sale in the latest issue of Flypast at approx £39.95 (FYI Stan Bishop founded East Anglian Books)
I rang up and was told it is at printers and they are estimnated 6 to 8 weeks delivery. They are taking back orders
I am NOT linked in any way to this organisation, It is just that I have been waiting a long time for this!
http://www.eastangliabooks.com/

Re: "Losses of the 8th and 9th AF"/Bishop
 

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Re: "Losses of the 8th and 9th AF"/Bishop
 

BTW

I received Losses of 8th and 9th Air Force Volume 2 (Jan to March 1944)
yesterday (I am in the UK) it is excellent as per Vol 1

Re: "Losses of the 8th and 9th AF"/Bishop
 

Hi fellas -

I must have been under a rock as I only recently became aware of the excellent Bishop & Hey "Losses of the 8th and 9th" series. Through the miracle of the Internet I have Vol II in hand, with Vol I enroute as we speak. Excellent, excellent, excellent! I'd rate this scholarly work up there with Frank Olynyk's series on aerial credits as the most important works in my library.

I checked the East Anglia books site, and I don't see Vol III listed. I believe some of you know the authors personally - any rough guesses when we take up with April 44 onwards?

Cheers!
Wade

Re: "Losses of the 8th and 9th AF"/Bishop
 

There are mistakes in Vol 1 if you slowly read every little detail you will find about a dozen. An example would be listing 5 as pows and only 4 are checked off. Am looking forward to vol 2. Its my 50th birthday present to me presented from mom and dad.