Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Hi,
General questions to the system and questions related to specific positions keeps popping up, so I found it appropriate to re-advertise this site for the benefit of new members:
http://www.gyges.dk/reporting_grids.htm
bregds
SES

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

While we are at it... I am having trouble figuring out another system of Quadrate used in Luftwaffe reports - examples (Russia, summer 1943): ZP7d, XQ9, ZQ1? Any ideas?

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Hi Pawel,
That is the post APR 1943 format, but you miss the Jagdtrapeze (e.g. 34 ON).
bregds
SES

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

SES, but the subset of letters in this format ends with U and here we have Z, Y etc.?

Kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Oooops I missed that, in that case I pass, sorry.
bregds
SES

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

SES, whatever system it is, I figured out how to layer the coordinates over Heeres 1:100.000 map of Belgorod area and it seems to work :)

kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Hi Pawel,
Congrats, how did you do that, since Z as you pointed out so correctly is not a legal value.
bregds
SES

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Well, the coordinates are not compatible with post-may 1943 LUMA, and as I said I have not a slightest idea what it should be called - was it Luftwaffe or Heeres notation - but it was used throughout III./K.G. 55 diary and also in one daily report of IV. Fl.Korps.
For example - the quadrant ZP is divided in 9 parts, 3x3 matrix - ZP1 to ZP9, that would cover rectangulars formed by the grid on 1:100.000 map. Letter I seems to be illegal.

kind regards,
Pawel

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Greetings, gents! During my research I got following list of coordinates:

34 Ost N/ SB-7
34 Ost N/ UL
34 Ost N/ TC
34 Ost N-7
34 Ost N/U-1.5
34 Ost N/AU-6
34 Ost N/SE-3
34 Ost N/UD-2
34 Ost N/UF-2
34 Ost N/TF-2
34 Ost/NT-4.6
34 Ost N/SG-8
34 Ost N/SG-5
34 Ost N/SG-8

All of the must be Mamaiya (Romania) - Odessa/Sevastopol (USSR) area. But how could I found more details? Could somebody help a little bit?

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Hi Evgeny,
Excactly what is it you want to know?
On this page you'll find a converter - LUMA - which will convert your coordinates into lat/long:
http://www.gyges.dk/reporting_grids.htm
bregds
SES

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

SES - any idea about Andy Saunders' question here:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=17753

He's after grid squares PQ 15/ 50, 60, 70, in the English Channel so far as I can determine...

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Hi,
In order to give a quick reference to these sort of questions this Sticky was created:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=7471
it does have references and links to the LUMA Guide and the LUMA converter.
The positions you mention are given in in pre 1943 system and can easily be converted to lat/long using the LUMA converter.
bregds
SES

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Hi SES,

I guess I'll have to re-read the LUMA guide. I was banging away with the LUMA spreadsheet last evening and got nowhere...

Ravages of age, I guess...

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Hi, Evgeny

Your locations identify the area as being in the Zusatzzahlgebiet 34, the N indicating the Northern half of this Zusatzzahlgebiet.

The corners of this Zusatzzahlgebiet is given by:

Northwest: 49 degrees northern latitude and 30 degrees eastern longitude
Northeast: 49 degrees northern latitude and 40 degrees eastern longitude
Southwest: 44 degrees northern latitude and 30 degrees eastern longitude
Southeast: 44 degrees northern latitude and 40 degrees eastern longitude

I will make a preprinted pdf file for the area for you and add to this thread.

Regards,
Andreas B

Re: Jägergradnetzkarte
 

Just so you get something, the first three:

34 Ost N/ SB-7
Area defined by the following corners:

Northwest: 44 degrees 35 minutes northern latitude and 30 degrees 30 minutes eastern longitude

Northeast: 44 degrees 35 minutes northern latitude and 30 degrees 40 minutes eastern longitude

Southwest: 44 degrees 30 minutes northern latitude and 30 degrees 30 minutes eastern longitude

Southeast: 44 degrees 30 minutes northern latitude and 30 degrees 40 minutes eastern longitude

Thus you end up in the Black sea off Tulcea with this position

34 Ost N/ UL

Area defined by the following corners:

Northwest: 44 degrees 15 minutes northern latitude and 35 degrees 00 minutes eastern longitude

Northeast: 44 degrees 15 minutes northern latitude and 35 degrees 30 minutes eastern longitude

Southwest: 44 degrees 00 minutes northern latitude and 35 degrees 00 minutes eastern longitude

Southeast: 44 degrees 00 minutes northern latitude and 35 degrees 30 minutes eastern longitude

Thus you end up in the Black sea south by south east of Yalta with this position


34 Ost N/ TC

Area defined by the following corners:

Northwest: 44 degrees 30 minutes northern latitude and 31 degrees 00 minutes eastern longitude

Northeast: 44 degrees 30 minutes northern latitude and 31 degrees 30 minutes eastern longitude

Southwest: 44 degrees 15 minutes northern latitude and 31 degrees 00 minutes eastern longitude

Southeast: 44 degrees 15 minutes northern latitude and 31 degrees 30 minutes eastern longitude

Thus you end up in the Black sea south by south east of Tulcea approximately half way between Tulcea and Sevastopol with this position

Could you post further information with regards to units and aircraft etc Evgeniy?

Regards,
Andreas B