Unkown WDAF Hurricane
 

Another E-bay find. A damaged Hawker Hurricane with what looks like what might a RS_P code for 33 Sq. Can anyone verify?

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Bump

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Not much help, but "RS" was actually to code for 30 Sqn. not 33 Sqn.

Tom

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Thanks, any little bit helps.

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Hello,

two losses for a beginning -
30 Sqn - 1942 -
Z4418 - P/O. F.A.Scott KIA on 4th Jan. ( This is correct - P/O Frederick Arthur Scott 30 Sqdn 4th January 1942, RAFVR . The other P/O. Frederick Arthur Scott, 37 Sqdn. 2nd July 1942, RCAF ).
P/O. G.W.Ratlidge D.F.C, MIA on 12th Jan.
Squadron moved to Ceylon in March.

Alex
ref: "Mediterranean Air War, June 40-Jan42"

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Alex

I am a bit curious what source you use stating Z4418 was lost on Jan 4th with Scott?

It is not in the MAW vol 1 book and it is listed as going to 1 SAAF only in Air Britain's serial booklet.

Since Scott's body was picked up from the sea, I doubt his unfortunate fate has something to do with the actual photo.

B Rgds
Stig

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Hello,

For P/O F.A. Scott, Try MAW1/422 (Sunday, 4 January 1942).

Alex, The 30 Squadron "F.A. Scott" was RCAF, not RAFVR.

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1282480/

Col.

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Col

Yes, I am on that page. Where do you read Z4418?????

Cheers
Stig

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Hello,

l never mentioned Hurricane I Z4418!

The following reference does:

Appendix 3: Roll of Honour.

SCOTT, Plt. Off. Frederick Arthur (J5225)
+ 4th January 1942.
Missing in action in Hurricane Z4418
(Buried at sea by Royal Navy).

See:
Flat Out The Story of 30 Squadron Royal Air Force.
Hamlin,John F.
Tunbridge Wells:Air Britian(Historians) Ltd.,2002.
pp.156 & 290.

Col.

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Thanks

I will check with AB what John's source might have been

Cheers
Stig

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All

The book is a bit odd when it comes to Z4418

The serial number is not mentioned on p.156 but only on p.290.
However in appendix G (listing the known aircraft supplied to No 30 Sq), Z4418 is not mentioned, but Z4419 is! Since Z4419 is 100% confirmed as being supplied to the unit in question, it might be a misprint in the book by Hamlin. It may or may not be so, since the SOC date for Z4419 is very late and as such does not feel good either.

I talked to Geoff Negus who has studied in depth the death of Commonwealth airment during the war and he stated there is no primary source known by him connecting Z4418 to F.A. Scott

Neither does there seem to be any SAAF records claiming Z4418 was on loan to any other unit.

As it stands at this point, I am still very hesitant about the exact aircraft Scott flew on his last mission and I would not take Z4418 for granted!

Cheers
Stig

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Hello,

I'm a fellow Air-Britain member. I could have chased it up myself, but appreciate you doing so.

You asked for a source to the connection between Z4418, and P/O Scott, I provided one. I did not endorse John Hamlin's mention of Z4418, simply offered it as a possibility.

Thanks,

Col.

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Col

I am not pointing any fingers :)
Its very simply I am interested in the aircraft of the NA campaign.

For your info Z4418 is in fact on again. Winston Brent came back and said his information regarding the aircraft had been taken from the Air Britain serial book. He has not found any details as such about Z4418 being in use by the 1 SAAF Sq in South African records....

It means I have upgraded Z4418 to be a probable again.
Jeeez, that aircraft more and more resembles a roller coaster.....:D

Cheers
Stig

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Hello Col,
Thanks for correction, yes I had the RAFVR and RCAF mixed up it was the other way around.

Also "85 Years of SAAF" has the following for Z4418.

Z4418 - 1 - SOC 15-1-42.

Alex

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Alex

As stated in my e-mail Winston Brent in his book has taken the details about Z4418 from the Air Britain serial booklet and not from any located SAAF files.

Cheers
Stig

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Gents

I have now been in contact with John Hamlin who wrote the Air Britain book about No 30 Sq.
He states that he DID come across Z4418 being delivered to No 30 Sq and from somewhere (he can't remember now) came across the fact that Z4418 was lost on Jan 4th.

While not being conclusive I figure we now have a scenario where at least I am 75% for and 25% against this being the actual Hurricane lost that day.

Thanks Alex and Col for putting this tiny puzzle on the map...:)

Cheers
Stig